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Oh great, yet another guy who has bee part of the omerta and helped create the issues cycling has today going to admit to using, AFTER he retires.
Can't wait.
Can't wait.
Someday someone may be able to connect all the dots. For example, go back to Eddy B., Subaru-Montgomery, Thom Weisel, the blood doping scandal (though then legal) at the 1984 Los Angeles Olympic games. Ed Burke seems to be credited with the medical program.
Eddy B. was the national team coach for that controversial Olympic team and he was also LA's coach at Subaru Montgomery. His claim was that he and not Chris Carmichael "found" LA. Much of this program got rolled into U.S. Postal then Discovery. Sort of in-between there was the transformation of 7-11 into Motorola and LA's time there.
It would be interesting to examine the chronology of all the facts. Saw LA race as an amateur with Subaru-Montgomery and then on Motorola's World Cup team. Even spoke directly with him after his "dead-last" finish in San Sebastian when at the next World Cup stop.
Through all the time there really is a somewhat small orbit of names around Lance Armstrong, same people, same teams always just reinvented.
Eddy B. was the national team coach for that controversial Olympic team and he was also LA's coach at Subaru Montgomery. His claim was that he and not Chris Carmichael "found" LA. Much of this program got rolled into U.S. Postal then Discovery. Sort of in-between there was the transformation of 7-11 into Motorola and LA's time there.
It would be interesting to examine the chronology of all the facts. Saw LA race as an amateur with Subaru-Montgomery and then on Motorola's World Cup team. Even spoke directly with him after his "dead-last" finish in San Sebastian when at the next World Cup stop.
Through all the time there really is a somewhat small orbit of names around Lance Armstrong, same people, same teams always just reinvented.
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DirtyWorks said:
If you read Aubrey's full post you'll figure the request for source was in relation to his allegedly refuting Hamilton - not a source for his doping...
As was also noted shortly after - GH didn't refute anything, Weltz was quite (in)capable of doing that for him
- Mar 11, 2009
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I'll be really surprised if he gives an outward confession. Same with Levi, CVV, Dave Z and many of the others. A "confession" may be verified in the USADA details, that I can see. But even if so, and they are later pressed by journalists, these guys just don't strike me as being people who are going to talk a whole lot. I envision them making simple statements about referring to the USADA papers, or their attorney.
Alpe d'Huez said:
Pretty much agree. For anyone conflicted about their intent just remember the term "partners in crime". They all prospered whether they had LA's ambition or not. One point has come through in almost all situations: you will dope if you want to race with Lance. This was a control element that even the lightest of abusers were pressed to do. In that respect there could be degrees of guilt and reward. Eddie B started it with non-disclosed injections, Och continued the emphasis on Motorola and USPS was what Tyler has disclosed as a full-on organized program.
- Feb 10, 2010
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JPM London said:If you read Aubrey's full post you'll figure the request for source was in relation to his allegedly refuting Hamilton - not a source for his doping...
As was also noted shortly after - GH didn't refute anything, Weltz was quite (in)capable of doing that for him
I got that. My point was any confession doesn't even qualify as a formality. The guy not only lied and cheated his fans but stole from clean riders over the breadth of his career. Whoever said cheaters never prospered never paid any attention to Pro Cycling.
While George may be described as "a puppet" he and a number of others have done very, very well for themselves in that role.
the asian said:
Well, they'll be forced to won't they? They're all getting suspensions and with Bruyneel fighting USADA, their testimony will be made public and they may be called to testify.
So one way or the other, a "public" confession is happening.
- May 9, 2009
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I agree with others. Just a vague admission of doping, but no details, and no names. Hincapie's confession will be like Vaughters': I did it when I was young and because I thought that was expected of me and because it couldn't get a prom date. But hey - I wound up marrying a podium girl, so who can argue with the results?
- Aug 6, 2009
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Race Radio said:
Man, was that nauseating. That two minute trailer made me hate him even more.
I can never forget that arrogant, smug smirk on Leipheimer's face when he was interviewed at the Tour about Contador "not following team orders" when Armstrong expected the whole peloton to lay down so he could win.
Sickening. I can save anyone considering paying money to see this drivel what the truth is behind the story-it's not one of sacrifice and hard training.
It's about taking drugs and STILL not being good enough to win a grand tour.
That's Leipheimer's story in a nutshell.
George may be burrowed too deep in whatever bunker he's hiding in to get a message out. His facebook page has been overrun with doping images and 'Judas' chants, his website is down, and his twitter acct looks like its gone.
Berzin said:
I nearly choked at that bit at the end - who does he think he is, the pied bloody piper?
Nazi Party?
I am not a defender of Karl Rowe (Rove) or Limbaugh but I am repulsed by your comment...Nazi Party? I wish to read about cycling and Hincape, not your political views which might possibly be quite flawed.
rickshaw said:
I am not a defender of Karl Rowe (Rove) or Limbaugh but I am repulsed by your comment...Nazi Party? I wish to read about cycling and Hincape, not your political views which might possibly be quite flawed.
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bikebottles said:
In the old days of the internet (1990s), a thread on usenet was considered to have jumped the shark when Nazism was invoked.
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rickshaw said:
Hold on. You may have missed my point, but when it comes to George who VERY likely was doped as a teen on Carmichael's program. We're talking degrees of cheating liar ranking up there with Wonderboy. The long-term complicity should be revolting if you are at all offended by Wonderboy's fraud.
George is not even anti-hero material. The other stuff has been covered.
Finally, if oldman's post is right, let's hope there's more fallout back to the days when Carmichael was doping kids. http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1034178&postcount=28
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As per any confession on Hincapie's part, whether it's vague or not doesn't matter.
The actual details of his involvement will be in the public domain soon, so if he decides to partake in one of those Jason Giambi-like non-confessional confessions, it will only do his reputation harm.
It all depends on whether he cares or not, and what sort of advice he's getting from either his lawyers or his close confidants.
He's already getting it on Facebook, with some cat calling him "Judas". Not for testifying, but for his participation in the US Postal doping ring.
I don't think that word applies to him. I just think he's one of those guys who took great pride in toeing the corporate line because it befitted him greatly.
People like this rarely exhibit any sense of moral outrage outside the bubble they operate in, so don't expect a lot of existential angst and soul-searching from George.
That may be an intellectual bridge too far for him.
The actual details of his involvement will be in the public domain soon, so if he decides to partake in one of those Jason Giambi-like non-confessional confessions, it will only do his reputation harm.
It all depends on whether he cares or not, and what sort of advice he's getting from either his lawyers or his close confidants.
He's already getting it on Facebook, with some cat calling him "Judas". Not for testifying, but for his participation in the US Postal doping ring.
I don't think that word applies to him. I just think he's one of those guys who took great pride in toeing the corporate line because it befitted him greatly.
People like this rarely exhibit any sense of moral outrage outside the bubble they operate in, so don't expect a lot of existential angst and soul-searching from George.
That may be an intellectual bridge too far for him.
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