Hincapie delusional about his self-worth?

[Boeing]

- What's going with him? He's trying to sound like he's the only one who "sacrifices" themselves? Why all the grandeur. He was pimping it large with the gear and riding on the front stage after stage. Why the nobility now?

“I know you’ve got a job and you’ve got to ask these questions. I’ve got a job too,” Hincapie told VeloNews at the team’s hotel in Paso Robles, California. “My job’s here to race my bike, promote the sport that we all love; that I’ve sacrificed my whole life for and I just have no interest in dragging this sport through the mud, so I’m sorry, but I have no comment.”

“Look at all the fans out here; the race is doing awesome,” said Hincapie. “It has incredible support and incredible sponsors. I believe in cycling. I believe in what cycling has done. I believe cycling has done more than any other sport to make it a clean sport. Why can’t we focus on that?”

- Problem is you weren't making cycling very clean when at USPS. You're part of the messt hat has to be cleaned up.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/05/news/hincapie-ochowicz-react-to-hamilton-accusations_174673

thats what old athletes do. look at Derek Jeter

 

[avanti]

.............................
The next headline you will read is: Lance Armstrong Indicted

Although this means he is guilty to many people in reality it means the prosecutor thinks he has sufficient reason to proceed with a jury trial.
There is no cross examination of witnesses in a grand jury trial. All grand jury trial testimony is forgotten and the subsequent public jury trial starts from scratch. It should be interesting to see how witnesses for the prosecution stand up to intense questioning by the defense attorney. I'm sure one question will be "have you ever lied?"

And of course the grand jury outcome might be to not indict. Also we do not know what the target is for this grand jury.

PS I'm not an Lance Armstrong fan.

 

[MarkvW]

I think a more accurate comparison would be somebody that built up a business by stealing someone else's patents and made a substantial amount of money with the hardwork they put into the business. Then after outed for stealing patents, believing that due to the hard work that was put into something that was fraudulent from the start you are entitled to the gains.

People have to remember that his fortune was created by stealing from riders who didn't dope. There are talented cyclist who worked hard for nothing because of what he was involved in.

The European peloton was a filthy EPO cesspool. Lance didn't play fair in a filthy, crooked game. Take that into account when you weigh the sanction that his cheating warrants.

 

[ergmonkey]

The European peloton was a filthy EPO cesspool. Lance didn't play fair in a filthy, crooked game. Take that into account when you weigh the sanction that his cheating warrants.

This reasoning definitely applies to fairly judging LA's accomplishments as an athlete. But, that's not necessarily the only issue here.

If one is looking into whether LA & co. defrauded their sponsors, then the more important question is whether the sponsors knew and accepted what was happening or if the sponsors reasonably relied on promises from LA and Tailwind that the sponsors were not going to be involved with any doping.

 

[ergmonkey]

Although this means he is guilty to many people in reality it means the prosecutor thinks he has sufficient reason to proceed with a jury trial.
There is no cross examination of witnesses in a grand jury trial. All grand jury trial testimony is forgotten and the subsequent public jury trial starts from scratch. It should be interesting to see how witnesses for the prosecution stand up to intense questioning by the defense attorney. I'm sure one question will be "have you ever lied?"

And of course the grand jury outcome might be to not indict. Also we do not know what the target is for this grand jury.

PS I'm not an Lance Armstrong fan.

True, but a jury will be pretty sensitive to why a witness lied. If a rider lied for a while about doping in an effort to avoid sanctions and then finally decided to come clean, many jurors will likely accept that the confessions of drug use are true despite all of the previous denials. Especially if the prosecution does a good job of rehabilitating the witness' credibility on re-direct.

 

[Benotti69]

The European peloton was a filthy EPO cesspool. Lance didn't play fair in a filthy, crooked game. Take that into account when you weigh the sanction that his cheating warrants.

He was partly responsible for those who wanted to play fair leaving the sport. I dont remember anyone pushing him into it and it appears that he was already filthy and crooked taking PEDs while competing in triathlon from a young age.

Lemond won the Tdf in 1990 the year Gunderson turned pro, so while the cess pool grew their were a lot of top clean riders still competing.

 

[ksmith]

The European peloton was a filthy EPO cesspool. Lance didn't play fair in a filthy, crooked game. Take that into account when you weigh the sanction that his cheating warrants.

I could live with what you say, except that when people say anything against him they are bullied and threatend.

He has taken the filthy, crooked game to almost organised levels (which it may very well be). I hope the sanctions take this into account.

 

[D-Queued]

The European peloton was a filthy EPO cesspool. Lance didn't play fair in a filthy, crooked game. Take that into account when you weigh the sanction that his cheating warrants.

Somebody better step up, grab the brass ring, and be an example for everyone then.

I vote for Lance.

Dave.

 

[fujisst]

When the ends justify the means, then you have the current state of professional cycling...

Don't deal with the past, you're destined to repeat it. Hincapie and Mark McGwire drink from the same fountain apparently...

 

[Andynonomous]

Hincapie mentioned on CBS evening news tonight

I don't know if this has been mentioned, but the lead story on CBS evening news tonight indicated that Hincapie implicated Armstrong in his grand jury testimony.

 

[Michael Brown]

I don't know if this has been mentioned, but CBS evening news tonight indicated that Hincapie implicated Armstrong in his grand jury testimony.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/05/20/60minutes/main20064858.shtml

GH is the final shoe. That's it.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Love it....

 

[Oldman]

Gotta agree with you on some of this although many domestic cyclists from that period chose not to cross the line. Where is their acknowledgement?
The people in charge of the sport didn't let it happen, in Lance, Tyler, George, Frankie and others they found willing players in a game they all profitted from.
What I would really like to hear from any of these riders is a fair appraisal of the competitiors they bested for results and dollars that did not dope. It's like they've eradicated several decades of honest contribution to the sport.

All of these weak mea culpas don't cut it. They aren't apologizing to the truly wronged parties and that just makes them public pronouncements of what they were forced to admit under penalty of imprisonment.

 

[yourwelcome]

The European peloton was a filthy EPO cesspool. Lance didn't play fair in a filthy, crooked game. Take that into account when you weigh the sanction that his cheating warrants.

Fair point but also keep in mind that at the same time there were talented people confronted with that filthy EPO cesspool who made the difficult decision to forget their pro cycling dreams and get a day job, rather than wade in.

 

[auscyclefan94]

I wonder what Mike Rann is thinking.

 

[rhubroma]

.... 'Us' fans were on the edge of our seats watching and cheering. We can't now just decided that the riders where a bunch of cheats. They didn't cheat us of anything. Just because the riders don't admit to something in public, doesn't mean they owe us fans an explanation, especially if they are making a livelihood (ie, money, business, etc) through cycling.

Yes, but while you were watching and cheering did it ever occur to you that what you were seeing wasn't possible without drugs?

If not, then you should be asking yourself a thousand times why?

And if you don't care now, then spare us with being scandalized or even bothered.

You can be utterly naive and even, as a result, scandalized, when made to see reality for the first time, but don't try to dismiss it afterward by saying "they don't need to provide explanations."

They do precisely to take the blinders off the stupid and the hoodwinked. Had Armstrong been a mere doper, like so many of his colleagues, then he'd be viewed in the same light as Floyd, Tyler and George, as opportunists in a dirty business, no more.

But LA wasn't just a doper, but a manipulator of millions and a ruthless ruiner of reputations. At least he arrogantly tried to for years, without compunction or remorse. A nasty dude.

 

[tubularglue]

I am to the conclusion, the waters surrounding him need no waves. I believe he is sheltering his team, and the possibility of being pulled from the race.

For a moment, think about the directors at the race - their history

today in California, maybe all mobile phones were switched off