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del1962 said:Is Riis any worse than Matt White at Greenedge?
Lanark said:Riis has been implicated by several riders of having condoned (openly discussing it with riders), or even encouraged doping by referring riders to Fuentes. IIRC Jaksche even said he provided insulin on one ocasion.
Are there any similair accusations against White? (genuine question, I don't know).
Ferminal said:Stinks of a small blood bag already.
del1962 said:I thought there was a suspect incident at Garmin with White sending a rider to a dodgy doctor.
According to Jaksche it was quite organized: http://sporten.tv2.dk/tour/2013-07-03-toprytter-står-frem-jeg-har-vidnet-mod-riismelkemugg said:Riis always seem to have shut his eyes at everything dope, but he still did not care or did anything to stop it. Which might be slightly better than starting organised dope programs on your team himself, like a lot of others did, but he is still a part of the problem and seem still unwilling to be fully transparent about his past.
I think they are clean-ish now. Even Bertie. Maybe.
having riis in an active role seems quite consistent with tyler's depiction of things, too.Samson777 said:According to Jaksche it was quite organized: http://sporten.tv2.dk/tour/2013-07-03-toprytter-står-frem-jeg-har-vidnet-mod-riis
Jaksche tells that they could go to the team doctors for treatment. And that they could ask the team doctors which days they could take EPO without getting busted. And that they= the riders was given help so that they could dope. And Jaksche also discussed his doping program with Riis several times. So maybe Riis did a little more than to shut his eyes.
Lanark said:Riis has been implicated by several riders of having condoned (openly discussing it with riders), or even encouraged doping by referring riders to Fuentes. IIRC Jaksche even said he provided insulin on one ocasion.
Are there any similair accusations against White? (genuine question, I don't know).
del1962 said:Thinking about it, he was probably not as bad as Riis was, but he is still their smiling face on TV cockahoop at Greenedge's yellow.
Samson777 said:According to Jaksche it was quite organized: http://sporten.tv2.dk/tour/2013-07-03-toprytter-står-frem-jeg-har-vidnet-mod-riis
Jaksche tells that they could go to the team doctors for treatment. And that they could ask the team doctors which days they could take EPO without getting busted. And that they= the riders was given help so that they could dope. And Jaksche also discussed his doping program with Riis several times. So maybe Riis did a little more than to shut his eyes.
pmcg76 said:And look at two of SKYs DS, Kurt-Asle Arvesen and Marcus Ljungqvist, 6 years and 4 years respectively with Riis teams or how about Servais Knaven, member of TVM when they were booted from the Tour in 98. Glass houses and all.
Moose McKnuckles said:Anyone have confidence in this team?
red_flanders said:Mmmmm...not really going to argue that our friend is likely going to show some amazing and unbelievable improvement in form (as will Schleck).
Spanish. Is there a national or ethnic issue with time trailing?
LaFlorecita said:Haha Big Doopie. I agree Alberto is a doper. Duh. But so is everyone else.
Tell me Big Doopie which of the current riders would also be at the top in a clean cycling world?
PS I don't like racism so stop with the spaniard ****.
Big Doopie said:...
Same with Clentadopucci. His ability to tt is directly related to his ability to dope. One of the main reasons that if there was no blood vector doping Clentadopucci would never have won a single tour. He would have been a Fuente at best but more likely the equivalent of a clean Chiappucci - in other words barely a footnote in the annals of cycling.
Nice baiting there mister.Same with Clentadopucci. His ability to tt is directly related to his ability to dope. One of the main reasons that if there was no blood vector doping Clentadopucci would never have won a single tour. He would have been a Fuente at best but more likely the equivalent of a clean Chiappucci - in other words barely a footnote in the annals of cycling.
zastomito said:You can't justify something that is unjustifiable. But saying that Contador is somehow much worse than all the other dopers is kinda silly. As far as I know (Ulrich and Pantani thread) you can't judge how talented rider was/is when he is doping. Too many variables. That seems to present no problem for Big Doopie however.
Ferminal said:Isn't doping justified by the desire to have a highly successful career?
Ferminal said:Isn't doping justified by the desire to have a highly successful career?
Dazed and Confused said:perhaps justification is not quite the right word, but one would have been stupid not to dope in the last 25 years (with a desire to continue with the pro career).
Except for a few cases the top end dopers are doing very well these days.
Hincapie, Contador, Leihpeimer, Millar, Riis, Bugno, Basso, Virenque etc.
Does it still pay to dope? Thats the question. I think it does.
Ferminal said:Isn't doping justified by the desire to have a highly successful career?