How does a Charity sponsor a team?

[Anonymous]

And the LAF isn't paying for any of it.

So what is this line item? From Charity Navigator "Fundraising Expenses 18.0%" Let me see...$31,164,576 x .18.....carry the two......mmm......thats $5,606,623...and 68 cents for nothing. They don't pay for any of it??? Hmm....

 

[Anonymous]

Obviously, a NikeTown billboard advertising the Nike Livestrong 10//2 clothing line. Brilliant marketing if you ask me: recognizable public figure and a catchy slogan can go a long way in the way of merchandise sales (or votes). Not surprisingly 100 percent of those sales go to the LAF. Ultimately, that means more money for the LAF which is then redistributed into research, awareness, etc.

Oh and that sign is on top of a Niketown store in San Francisco, which was paid for by Niketown.

Oh, I am sure they did. Nothing like ringing up accessories for cancer awareness. I want the earbuds!

 

[ImmaculateKadence]

Oh, I am sure they did. Nothing like ringing up accessories for cancer awareness. I want the earbuds!

I love how you respond with sarcasm when one of your assumptions has been defeated. Lets me know I did something right

 

[Anonymous]

I love how you respond with sarcasm when one of your assumptions has been defeated. Lets me know I did something right

No, my assumption has always been that the association between Lance, Nike, and Cancer has always been about much more than helping cancer patients and raising "cancer awareness." It is about selling cancer accessories. I never disputed where the money came from for the billboard, my point is, who gets the pay-off. Because the LAF ain't the only calf sucking at that teat.

You guys are the ones that hawk the specific funds thing. I have never suggested that was my point. My point has always been a general one, that being that there are better places to donate your money.

I like people who make an assumption that is in error. I gives me a chance to show them what a dolt they are.

 

[Rex Hunter]

Thoughtforfood, if you thought it was a well run charity - and it is, though like with any large charity you can find things wrong with it - would you then support it?

 

[ImmaculateKadence]

No, my assumption has always been that the association between Lance, Nike, and Cancer has always been about much more than helping cancer patients and raising "cancer awareness." It is about selling cancer accessories. I never disputed where the money came from for the billboard, my point is, who gets the pay-off. Because the LAF ain't the only calf sucking at that teat.

You guys are the ones that hawk the specific funds thing. I have never suggested that was my point. My point has always been a general one, that being that there are better places to donate your money.

I like people who make an assumption that is in error. I gives me a chance to show them what a dolt they are.

You haven't showed me anything but your willingness to discuss something you know little, if anything, about. But I concede this one...better things to do.

 

[Anonymous]

Let me reiterate that I also have a problem because I worked with several charities. Two of them were specifically concerned with children with cancer. To know all the cheering and happiness of kids who were there during his run is based on a fraud does bother me. No, I am not going to go tell a kid on chemo that their hero is a fraud. They don't know anything about cycling. The thing is that I was doing that work before Lance ever won a race, and as I remember, there was just as much love and help coming their way then as now. In fact, many times, they were over funded because everyone likes to have their picture taken with a kid with a tube in his nose, but diabetic kids don't produce the same effect. It bothers me on a personal level, and to suggest that simply having cancer means you are indebted to Mr Armstrong is ignorant of all of the work that happened before he came on the scene. Who he is as a person does play into this because I know that even without him, the help still finds people.

 

[Anonymous]

You haven't showed me anything but your willingness to discuss something you know little, if anything, about. But I concede this one...better things to do.

Oh no, I know a lot about cancer charities, how they work, and what happens on the patient level. I worked with two. Looks like you got two strikes today, care to take another pitch Jose Jemenes?

 

[ImmaculateKadence]

Oh no, I know a lot about cancer charities, how they work, and what happens on the patient level. I worked with two. Looks like you got two strikes today, care to take another pitch Jose Jemenes?

Work with two different charities in no way makes you knowledgeable in this regard.

 

[kurtinsc]

Let me reiterate that I also have a problem because I worked with several charities. Two of them were specifically concerned with children with cancer. To know all the cheering and happiness of kids who were there during his run is based on a fraud does bother me. No, I am not going to go tell a kid on chemo that their hero is a fraud. They don't know anything about cycling. The thing is that I was doing that work before Lance ever won a race, and as I remember, there was just as much love and help coming their way then as now. In fact, many times, they were over funded because everyone likes to have their picture taken with a kid with a tube in his nose, but diabetic kids don't produce the same effect. It bothers me on a personal level, and to suggest that simply having cancer means you are indebted to Mr Armstrong is ignorant of all of the work that happened before he came on the scene. Who he is as a person does play into this because I know that even without him, the help still finds people.

So basically... it's personal for you.

Understanding that... no amount of evidence will ever convince you anything with Lance's name on it can be good... so I'll quit trying.

You continue helping childeren with cancer by attacking a well ranked charity that provides help.

I'll go help the environment by chopping down a forest.

 

[Anonymous]

So basically... it's personal for you.

Understanding that... no amount of evidence will ever convince you anything with Lance's name on it can be good... so I'll quit trying.

You continue helping childeren with cancer by attacking a well ranked charity that provides help.

I'll go help the environment by chopping down a forest.

Oh dear. Weak sauce, weak sauce. I'll continue to help by donating to charities that help locally. You act like Lance is on the cross and I am a Roman heckler; you do it so well.

Oh, and everything we do is "personal." Or do you act for other people? See, each of us bases his or her opinions and actions on their "personal" experience, or are you a robot?

Very weak sauce.

 

[Anonymous]

Work with two different charities in no way makes you knowledgeable in this regard.

And your knowledge is derived from what exactly?

But hey, keep buying the Nike and Trek stuff because they associate with someone who had cancer. They love the extra income!

 

[ImmaculateKadence]

And your knowledge is derived from what exactly?

From work with Nike and the 10//2 merchandise.

 

[Hugh Januss]

From work with Nike and the 10//2 merchandise.

Ah, a totally impartial source then.

 

[Anonymous]

From work with Nike and the 10//2 merchandise.

You work in a store selling shoes and that makes you an expert on charities? Wow. I am sorry, did I miss the Nike 10/2 charity? I looked them up on Charity Navigator, but it comes up with nothing. Guess that makes you an expert on charities then!

 

[ImmaculateKadence]

Ah, a totally impartial source then.

Ha! I'll give you that one.

 

[kurtinsc]

Oh dear. Weak sauce, weak sauce. I'll continue to help by donating to charities that help locally. You act like Lance is on the cross and I am a Roman heckler; you do it so well.

Oh, and everything we do is "personal." Or do you act for other people? See, each of us bases his or her opinions and actions on their "personal" experience, or are you a robot?

Very weak sauce.

Weak sauce?

I have to admit... you've used a saying that I'm totally unfamiliar with.

I really am not a fan of Lance. I'm not sure what else I have to say to convince you of this. I don't think I've said anything particularly flattering about the man in this thread.

But I like his charity. I think you seem to have a very personal dislike for him... to such a degree you dislike anything associated with him. I'd wager you aren't fond of Trek bikes or Nike shoes either.


I guess I am a robot. I like to go and look at my opinions and make sure they are based at least somewhat on the real information every now and then. And when I find that I'm basing my actions not on reality, but rather on a set of emotional beliefs not grounded in fact... well I try to change my opinion.

Where I'm from, that's called being an adult.

 

[kurtinsc]

Oh no, I know a lot about cancer charities, how they work, and what happens on the patient level. I worked with two. Looks like you got two strikes today, care to take another pitch Jose Jemenes?

Can you give me more information on what "worked with" means?

I wonder... I've volunteered for a large number of charities, written accounting and payroll systems for a few more, and sat on the board of one.

But I've never been employed by any. Have I "worked with" a charity by your definition... or were you actually employed in some manner by these charities?

 

[ImmaculateKadence]

You work in a store selling shoes and that makes you an expert? Wow. I am sorry, did I miss the Nike 10/2 charity? I looked them up on Charity Navigator, but it comes up with nothing. Guess that makes you an expert on charities then!

I was actually a sales rep working with many stores. Some of them being ****'s Sporting Goods, which focuses heavily on Livestrong merch.

I don't claim a knowledge of the LAF or charity work. I know what I read from published materials available to the public. As for Nike's involvement with the charity, working with the company would make me somewhat knowledgeable of their advertising campaigns regarding the charity and the merchandise. Especially since at the time of my employment, Nike had just rolled out the Livestrong line.

 

[Anonymous]

Can you give me more information on what "worked with" means?

I wonder... I've volunteered for a large number of charities, written accounting and payroll systems for a few more, and sat on the board of one.

But I've never been employed by any. Have I "worked with" a charity by your definition... or were you actually employed in some manner by these charities?

Yea, for 6 years I worked with an organization that provided services for children with many different diseases and terminal illnesses. I worked in several capacities, some of which involved fund raising and accounting. I also worked directly with the kids in many different ways. Past that I was a Guardian Ad Litem, worked with abused and neglected children with another organization, done countless hours with people suffering from alcohol and drug abuse, and the percentage of my donations based on gross income is very high compared to the general population. Some of my work was paid (not very well, but who gets into if for the money and prestige...oh wait, that is the subject of this thread), some of it was not. What was it you wanted to know?

Edit: Oh yea, not to mention trips to Central America to work with 2 organizations, fund raising for several independent of my six years, and work with a couple of domestic charities that help people with housing and repair needs.

There are many other smaller examples, but those are the bulk and constitute what I consider "working with." I didn't however question YOUR experience, I merely stated where my experience came from. If you think I was attacking yours, you might want to actually read my posts instead of just assuming what I mean.

 

[hfer07]

I happened to receive a gift certificate from "Radio shack", so a I went on Saturday to get something there-when I was checking out, the cashier asked me if I'd like to "donate" a dollar to the "Livestrong Charity".......
my imagination just went off thinking how much money LA is pocketing every time someone buys stuff at each store across the US?

 

[Anonymous]

I was actually a sales rep working with many stores. Some of them being ****'s Sporting Goods, which focuses heavily on Livestrong merch.

I don't claim a knowledge of the LAF or charity work. I know what I read from published materials available to the public. As for Nike's involvement with the charity, working with the company would make me somewhat knowledgeable of their advertising campaigns regarding the charity and the merchandise. Especially since at the time of my employment, Nike had just rolled out the Livestrong line.

And you were questioning my knowledge of charities why? My knowledge comes from actually working with charities.

 

[kurtinsc]

Yea, for 6 years I worked with an organization that provided services for children with many different diseases and terminal illnesses. I worked in several capacities, some of which involved fund raising and accounting. I also worked directly with the kids in many different ways. Past that I was a Guardian Ad Litem, worked with abused and neglected children with another organization, done countless hours with people suffering from alcohol and drug abuse, and the percentage of my donations based on gross income is very high compared to the general population. Some of my work was paid (not very well, but who gets into if for the money and prestige...oh wait, that is the subject of this thread), some of it was not. What was it you wanted to know?

Edit: Oh yea, not to mention trips to Central America to work with 2 organizations, fund raising for several independent of my six years, and work with a couple of domestic charities that help people with housing and repair needs.

There are many other smaller examples, but those are the bulk and constitute what I consider "working with." I didn't however question YOUR experience, I merely stated where my experience came from. If you think I was attacking yours, you might want to actually read my posts instead of just assuming what I mean.

I was just wondering what you meant by the term.

YOu've got a background similar to my wife, though her experience is focused around domestic violence and sexual assault, substance abuse, child abuse, mental illness and lately in the end of life arena.

Are you by chance a social worker?

 

[Anonymous]

blah blah blah

I really am not a fan of Lance.

Whatever, if it walks like a duck...

But I like his charity. I think you seem to have a very personal dislike for him... to such a degree you dislike anything associated with him. I'd wager you aren't fond of Trek bikes or Nike shoes either.

I have owned 2 Treks, but that was sooo 1992. And I have not bought Nike for quite some time, but that has to do with other issues I have with the company. Trust me, we don't have the time, and I don't have the inclination.

I guess I am a robot. I like to go and look at my opinions and make sure they are based at least somewhat on the real information every now and then. And when I find that I'm basing my actions not on reality, but rather on a set of emotional beliefs not grounded in fact... well I try to change my opinion.

Where I'm from, that's called being an adult.

Again, my opinions are based on what my opinions are base upon. Quite honestly, you are a liar if you say you don't base your opinions to some extent on human emotion, as that it is virtually impossible to do so without it. Its called being a human. In fact, your continuation of this argument, knowing full well that I will not change my opinion, says more than you obviously realize about your motivation. You can leave the check for the psychotherapy on the table when you leave.

Oh, and there are facts involved, you singled out one post which I added to my reasoning, but there are plenty of reasons that I donate to other charities and suggest others do the same when it comes to this topic. You can act all "adult" all you want, but generally honesty is a component of adulthood, and you seem to be missing that part Jr.

 

[Anonymous]

I was just wondering what you meant by the term.

YOu've got a background similar to my wife, though her experience is focused around domestic violence and sexual assault, substance abuse, child abuse, mental illness and lately in the end of life arena.

Are you by chance a social worker?

No, I went into teaching because when I finished working as a Guardian Ad Litem, I realized that I was already burned out a bit from what I saw. The above post was written before I read this one, should you care to change the tone of our discourse, I am up for it as arguing can get tiring. Now I sell advertising and am aiming for law school as a mid life change. Yes, I plan to be a litigator.