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Also makes the blood "slippery" when it is packedTyler'sTwin said:HemAssist will have allowed him to effectively circumvent limitations on blood boosting such as the 50% crit limit and off-score.
Level playing field indeed...
"slippery".Race Radio said:Also makes the blood "slippery" when it is packed
Because he did use EPO and blood transfusions? There is enough evidence from 1999 and 2009 to make such conclusions.TheComeBackKid said:Why would Landis say Armstrong used EPO and blood transfusions (mainly blood transfusions) for his tour wins if he had this other drug instead? Did Landis take this drug? He hasn't mentioned it yet. Why not?
TheComeBackKid said:A number of questions arise. Is there a test for it? The drug has been around since the late 1990s so the authorities must know about it?
Why would Landis say Armstrong used EPO and blood transfusions (mainly blood transfusions) for his tour wins if he had this other drug instead? Did Landis take this drug? He hasn't mentioned it yet. Why not?
Maybe Armstrong did experiment with it, but it could also be the case he never got passed the experimental phase given no one seems to have heard of it and it didn't take off in the peloton. The story that he got access to a trial drug at all is probably more the issue.
Amen brother - I'm with you.TheComeBackKid said:Yes it sounds true. As a bit of fanboy I have to point out that it's unlikely this drug is the reason he won 7 tours. Landis says it was mainly done with blood transfusions in the same way that others at the top were doing.
We've know idea of the full details Landis has given investigators. Don't assume that everything he had to say has already been published.TheComeBackKid said:Yes it sounds true. As a bit of fanboy I have to point out that it's unlikely this drug is the reason he won 7 tours. Landis says it was mainly done with blood transfusions in the same way that others at the top were doing.
HemAssist was made by coupling ethylene glycol (which is used in the freezing of red blood cells for long-term storage) to hemoglobin. As I understand it, it was a way of making use of outdated blood, since the hemoglobin was obtained from that. Baxter, the company producing it, pulled it off the market I think in 1998, because of clinical trial evidence that it resulted in greater mortality than controls. However, later studies with laboratory animals suggested it could be useful in some circumstances.TheComeBackKid said:A number of questions arise. Is there a test for it? The drug has been around since the late 1990s so the authorities must know about it?
Why would Landis say Armstrong used EPO and blood transfusions (mainly blood transfusions) for his tour wins if he had this other drug instead? Did Landis take this drug? He hasn't mentioned it yet. Why not?
Maybe Armstrong did experiment with it, but it could also be the case he never got passed the experimental phase given no one seems to have heard of it and it didn't take off in the peloton. The story that he got access to a trial drug at all is probably more the issue.
There was a story about Rasmussen using a similar product (HemoPure) and JJ spoke of synthetic hemoglobin.TheComeBackKid said:Yeah, obviously, I totally agree. But the allegation by the opening poster is Armstrong turned into a tour winner by taking this new drug that is better than EPO that no one has ever heard of. I'm asking if this is so, why hasn't Landis mentioned it?
This new info does raise a number of questions, don't you think?
If no-one (except Lance) had ever heard of it BPC - then how would Landis know about it to mention it?TheComeBackKid said:Yeah, obviously, I totally agree. But the allegation by the opening poster is Armstrong turned into a tour winner by taking this new drug that is better than EPO that no one has ever heard of. I'm asking if this is so, why hasn't Landis mentioned it?
This new info does raise a number of questions, don't you think?
Dr. Maserati said:If no-one (except Lance) had ever heard of it BPC - then how would Landis know about it to mention it?
Presumably a test could be developed, but doubtful anyone is going to pay for that, since it never made it past clinical trials. Perhaps Dr. Catlin could take that on?Thoughtforfood said:Can a test be developed for it, and will they then re-test all of those samples Lance said they could keep? No wonder the guy was so cocky for so long. He never thought that they would find out he had access to a discontinued doping product that nobody else could have. Perfect EPO replacement indeed.
HBOC's have been detectable since at least 2004.Thoughtforfood said:Can a test be developed for it, and will they then re-test all of those samples Lance said they could keep? No wonder the guy was so cocky for so long. He never thought that they would find out he had access to a discontinued doping product that nobody else could have. Perfect EPO replacement indeed.
Sean Kelly won that race a record number of times yet could not get near a win in the TdF or GdI and just managed to win the vuelta, how? i dont knowandy1234 said:Armstrong finished on the podium in the 96 Paris Nice. Its not the Tour, but theres a strong correlation between sucess in Paris Nice and being a Tour contender come July.
There is also a strong correlation between being a world road race champion at a young age and becoming a tour contender.
Before world war 3 breaks out, this isnt a suggestion that Armstrong is clean, just that his GT ability didn't suddenly appear at the same time as this wonder drug.
I don't think that's quite accurate. Paris Nice has long been considered a test of fitness for those contenders already intending on competing in the Tour later tin the year.andy1234 said:Armstrong finished on the podium in the 96 Paris Nice. Its not the Tour, but theres a strong correlation between sucess in Paris Nice and being a Tour contender come July.
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