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Miburo said:Contador won because he showed guts, never give up. And winning a GT means consistency, btw without boni sec Contador was ahead anyways
forget about this argument. once he won the tour on bonuses
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Miburo said:Contador won because he showed guts, never give up. And winning a GT means consistency, btw without boni sec Contador was ahead anyways
Telmisartan new said:Your a clown,you indulge in a very simplistic form of baiting/trolling that doesnt interest me,i am not prepared to have a serious discussion with someone that constantly spouts rubbish and who i have not one iota of respect for.As far as i can see, your here to play to the crowd,you can safely assume i will not be speaking to you again.This forum has some interesting people on it who i enjoy listening to and who can educate me but you are not one of them.
airstream said:you exalt suspension while not mentioning about freshness whatsoever. is it objective, what do you think?
it's an utopian idealism. a rider is good to the extent his opponents let him to be good, if a day. and what will you say if let's assume he will lose? that he's not 'healthy and fit" lol? and then who will recall unfit and unhealthy ex kenyan guy, who was slowly dying in the third week of the vuelta and finished the fourth?? correct, no one. and sometimes i feel like it's needed to be rooted for just out the interest of what fans will cook up and whom they will accuse.
based on 2 last seasons i consider froome to be the strongest gt rider and that would be very hilarious to be called a hypocrite or a hater as people likes to do on here.
Alpehue said:Im pretty sure Airstream generally is considered to be a troll, looks like quite a lot of people just seem to ignore him. He's quite good at trolling though.
Im quite sure he is just as annoying in real life though.
Alpehue said:Im pretty sure Airstream generally is considered to be a troll, looks like quite a lot of people just seem to ignore him. He's quite good at trolling though.
Im quite sure he is just as annoying in real life though.
Angliru said:I think you sometimes purposely choose to make these outlandish statements and find entertainment in the furor that they create. You can't seriously believe what I've bolded in your post. I think it's your belief (or more accurately, it's your hope) that Contador is a figment of the imagination of those that enjoy watching him compete, and that he will soon be exposed as just another also-ran in the Tour in the future. You seemed to have hitched your wagon to the Froome Express likely as a result of Andy's phantom 2012 season and the prospects of his being unable to ever win the Tour in his career. Froome is your choice as the rider that you will root for to quiet the support that Contador has in this forum, an issue that no doubt causes you great discomfort based on your inability to resist reintroducing this discomfort into half of your posts in some way of another as if by doing so maybe the support for Contador will evaporate.
Angliru said:I think you sometimes purposely choose to make these outlandish statements and find entertainment in the furor that they create. You can't seriously believe what I've bolded in your post. I think it's your belief (or more accurately, it's your hope) that Contador is a figment of the imagination of those that enjoy watching him compete, and that he will soon be exposed as just another also-ran in the Tour in the future. You seemed to have hitched your wagon to the Froome Express likely as a result of Andy's phantom 2012 season and the prospects of his being unable to ever win the Tour in his career. Froome is your choice as the rider that you will root for to quiet the support that Contador has in this forum, an issue that no doubt causes you great discomfort based on your inability to resist reintroducing this discomfort into half of your posts in some way of another as if by doing so maybe the support for Contador will evaporate.
where did i say this? i was saying "titles don't gt's instead of riders". no difference?Telmisartan new said:at the start of my discussion with Airstream before his constant refrain that 5(7) GT's mean nothing
Telmisartan new said:This is definitely the case,at the start of my discussion with Airstream before his constant refrain that 5(7) GT's mean nothing i asked him to acknowledge that it was a serious dislike of Contador that was his motivation for posting in this thread but he has yet to admit that and nor will he i suspect.I said from the outset that Froome was a "top stage-racer" given recent results but he still can't see the obvious difference between a champion and a contender.
airstream said:contador fans calling me a troll due to the fact i'm not a contador fan. cooool )
airstream said:one has its way on the forum. someone enjoys discussing, other enjoys communicating with confreres on cheering for some rider, etc. i'm here to argue cos exactly diversity of opinions creates the forum.
airstream said:one has its way on the forum. someone enjoys discussing, other enjoys communicating with confreres on cheering for some rider, etc. i'm here to argue cos exactly diversity of opinions creates the forum.
Angliru said:...but how is it an argument or even a discussion when you constantly interject your obvious dislike of the contigent of posters (and/or their opinions), of which I'm guessing I'm included, that are passionate admirers of Contador and their, in your opinion, over-the-top and biased perspectives? It is only in matters related to this one rider that you go off the rails. It's almost as if you somehow think that by constantly stating your annoyance with this faction, that maybe you're hoping they will see the light (your perspective) and be rescued from what you seem to imply is their miserable existences of supporting a rider you deem unworthy of such a passionate following.
airstream said:it's not a fight, just a peaceful exchange of opinions
airstream said:it's not a fight, just a peaceful exchange of opinions.
because you turn a blind eye to opponents. the stance sort of 'when he's fit and healthy, the others are doomed to be far behind' is the biggest possible delusion to go into. does he have an empire to get rid of any as lance had or something? i can understand this like demonstration of fan enthusiasm, but when it's taken like the only correct viewpoint, naturally, debates (or fight, as you call this) are sometimes inevitable. but if he loses, you will necessarily explain this with "unfitness" or feeling unwell. you know, a giant contradiction is lied in all that. what role of rivals then? i'm trying to be objective. at last, we all base on the same facts, just see them differently.
Angliru said:You apparently see only what you want to see, creating scenario's and perspectives that you feel others have that are skewed by some bizarre persecution complex combined with an obvious disdain for anything and anyone that shows any degree of support for Contador. You are applying statements and beliefs to me that I haven't posted. When everyone was posting their prognostications on who would win the Vuelta, I said that I thought that Contador would win. I don't recall ever saying that he would leave his opponents far behind. What I recall saying is that he would build his form and peak in the 3rd week. You yourself supported Cobo if I am correct or at least he was who you were rooting for but also mentioning you weren't sure of his form leading up to the start.
I think you confuse enthusiastic support with actual belief. There is a certain level of "smack talk" that ensues before a big event with each side building up their champion(s). It's hype for the most part and they're usually followed by or or . I'm sure you yourself have been a participant.
I stated to you in the past that I sometimes have a problem deciphering your actual meaning and/or intent due to our language barrier. I've noticed others don't have this same issue so I will try harder to read further into your posts. We've exchanged pm's in the past asking for elaboration on our posts just to make it clear we understand one another. I will do this more often just to avoid any unncecessary hard feelings or confrontations.
You obviously know your stuff but you just need to open your eyes to what is this era's greatest competitor and stage racer. Don't let others' perspectives interfere with your enjoying Contador's excellence. He can't help what he inspires in some of his fans. He's just out there trying to win.
airstream said:By saying 'you', i meant contador fans in general, because their stances can not coincide in terms of some intricacies as well, though i know you [Angliru] treat lie of the land quite rightly without redundant fanatism. possibly, i see what you (fans) don't see. say, factor of freshness was providently swept under the carpet, however a notorious 'no miles in legs' thingy was mentioned millions of times. again, froome's post tour condition was lowered too and one even handled this as natural difference between contador and froome. the same with valverde, who surprised with his strength even more than contador since valverde didn't walk in the tour. he desperately fought as he could and always finished among 10-12 best climbers, but the stage to la toussuire. nonetheless, there was the only conclusion regarding the 2013 tour. seriously, it's very funny to read without being a fan, believe me. there's no disdain, we are all equal on here, but apparently some posters really don't see how they distort reality. once roundabout said that part of contador fans really can not admit that his rivals can make suffer and drop him cos he is impossible to drop when he's ok or feels good. there's kernel in that cue actually. some of you (fans) do like to feed this myth intentionally or not. yes, sometimes, i may be wrong and probably argue too often, but nonetheless we can not debate about obvious things (results and so on) so it's ok to discuss on disputed matters i think. yes, i supported cobo but clear that any support to him is always associated with a certain degree of humor and irony. to be honest, i'm amazed by contador's power of self-persuasion but it seems better to be posted in other section.
yes, language barrier sadly exists. well, sorry, i really do my best.
Arnout said:I agree with you. Have said it before, when Contador is in a race and another climber wins, Contador fans will argue that Contador only gifted the stage, or in extreme cases he wasn't in his best form, but never concede that there are other good climbers that can beat Contador on equal grounds on some days.
I love your colorful language by the way, don't worry about it.
The Hitch said:As irational as contador fans.might often be, arguing that a 7.time gt winner is not at his best when he loses a mountain stage to janez brajkovic or pierre Roland, really is not as ridiculous as you make out.
burning said:Well people claimed that he could have catched Anton on Zoncolan but he didnt ride because to play with Nibali, which was utterly ridiculous
gooner said:Notice how some Contador fans will use the Giro as an reason for him not performing in the Tour in 2011 while at the same time they won't allow people to use Froome being cooked in the Vuelta coming off the Tour as a genuine reason for him not perfoming in the second half of the race.
gooner said:Notice how some Contador fans will use the Giro as an reason for him not performing in the Tour in 2011 while at the same time they won't allow people to use Froome being cooked in the Vuelta coming off the Tour as a genuine reason for him not perfoming in the second half of the race.
The Hitch said:Who on earth did not allow people to use Froomes exhaustion as an excuse during the Vuelta? I do not recall seeing any such posts.
El Pistolero said:Actually Contador crashed about 5 times and lost almost 2 minutes in the first stage alone because of a crash.
Froome finished 10 minutes down on Contador at the Vuelta.
It's not nearly as silly as you make it out to be.
Giro-Tour combo is also harder than the Tour-Vuelta combo. That year's Giro was also one of the hardest modern Giro's.
The Hitch said:Yeah, thats 1 example, we are going to need a bit more than that to justify the posts above which act as if its a regular occurence. Maybe Contador really was just outsprinted by Rujano on Grossglockner and couldnt hold Tiralongos wheel on macanuga.
That was 1 example, i want to see 10 others or some comments being retracted.
As for Zoncolan Contador put minutes into everyone at will on the previous mountain stages, and rode away from everyone for kicks and gigles on the next 2, as well as winning the mountain tt by half a minute having been 30 down at the bottom of the climb.
I know some of you are such big Anton fans that you take it personally, but honestly you find it that ridiculous to suggest Contador, especially on his Giro 2011 from, could not have kept up with Anton on Zoncolan?
And if you want to cry that anyone who reached that conclusion is some blind biased Contador fan, i will respond by suggesting that the reason yall cling so tight to this notion that fuji outclimbed Contador on 1 gt stage, might be because that, and dropping old man Marzio from a weak *** breakaway 3 months later, are the most recent memories of his talent that yall are left with.