How much does JRod lose to Wiggins in the Vuelta TT

[daveinzambia]

Or maybe 21 people who watched the Dauphine.

or some (i can vouch for at least 1) who voted for Brad cause they like him and knew how much it would erk some people to see him get votes.

of course he will not win but its nice to have a positive outlook for a few days. Reckon some people need to take things less seriously.

it is sport. there are fans. we like to support our favourites even when we know they are likely to fail. otherwise we would all support barcelona.

 

[auscyclefan94]

in excess of 4 minutes imo.

 

[theyoungest]

Did I just see somebody comparing Millar to Wiggins? Wow...

On a long flat time trial, I couldn't say which one of them is better than the other.

 

[ferryman]

If you did anything on this forum other than post about Britain like some self-hating jew, you'd realise I think Brad is a ****. He's just there as a benchmark to quantify Jrod.

Steady, Liverpool Sunset. Don't lose it. But I think you just did. Self-hating jew WTF. Scrape the surfacw eh.

 

[The Hitch]

it is sport. there are fans. we like to support our favourites even when we know they are likely to fail. otherwise we would all support barcelona.

Sadly most people do. Barcelona, Nadal/ Federer, Lance/ Usain Bolt, no one ever cheers for the little guy, rather want to see the names theyve heard of win.

 

[daveinzambia]

Sadly most people do. Barcelona, Nadal/ Federer, Lance/ Usain Bolt, no one ever cheers for the little guy, rather want to see the names theyve heard of win.

I support Southampton and Sky / Wiggins. I am not sure that says much about Wiggins.

Feel sorry for people that only support the best. Sport needs highs and lows and the lower the lows the better the highs.

 

[veganrob]

Not a Wiggins fan at all but think he will be very motivated for Vuelta. The field is not that tough and I think Brad wants a top GT result this year. Dauphine not enough for him. He has something to prove. Waiting till next year TDF is too risky. Go for something now to build on. Lot will depend on how strong his team is still also.
He may not win ITT, or Vuelta, but will definitely put 4+ on JRod

 

[Parrulo]

Not a Wiggins fan at all but think he will be very motivated for Vuelta. The field is not that tough and I think Brad wants a top GT result this year. Dauphine not enough for him. He has something to prove. Waiting till next year TDF is too risky. Go for something now to build on. Lot will depend on how strong his team is still also.
He may not win ITT, or Vuelta, but will definitely put 4+ on JRod

the field is good enough to bump wiggins out of the top 5 fight with no trouble.

 

[Fetisoff]

Not a Wiggins fan at all but think he will be very motivated for Vuelta. The field is not that tough and I think Brad wants a top GT result this year. Dauphine not enough for him. He has something to prove. Waiting till next year TDF is too risky. Go for something now to build on. Lot will depend on how strong his team is still also.
He may not win ITT, or Vuelta, but will definitely put 4+ on JRod

Well, you do realize that J-rod put 1:04 into Wiggins on two climbs in Dauphine that were not terribly hard, would be 1:44 with the 20 second time bonuses like the Vuelta has. (or is it 10 sec, please correct me if I'm wrong), that's just two climbs, and Wiggins hasn't cracked on either one of these, and let me assure you the Angry Lou will crack him

 

[Midnightfright]

Or maybe 21 people who watched the Dauphine.

or some (i can vouch for at least 1) who voted for Brad cause they like him and knew how much it would erk some people to see him get votes.

of course he will not win but its nice to have a positive outlook for a few days. Reckon some people need to take things less seriously.

it is sport. there are fans. we like to support our favourites even when we know they are likely to fail. otherwise we would all support barcelona.

I like Bradley I really do, i just don't like blind optimism. It's the sane with all the sports I follow I can assure u I would be as happy as u if he won but I would also be very happy if he finished in the top 5

 

[Midnightfright]

Well, you do realize that J-rod put 1:04 into Wiggins on two climbs in Dauphine that were not terribly hard, would be 1:44 with the 20 second time bonuses like the Vuelta has. (or is it 10 sec, please correct me if I'm wrong), that's just two climbs, and Wiggins hasn't cracked on either one of these, and let me assure you the Angry Lou will crack him

To be fair those climbs were fairly difficult, not monsters but enough to split the field. I'm not sure he will necessarily crack if the dauphine is anything to go by, he will lose time obviously and probably a good bit but he seemed to have learnt his limitations and if stays within that. I actually think JRod is atleast as likely to to "crack" as he will be an aggressor and will be the pushing his limits so may put himself in the red.

 

[theyoungest]

Well, you do realize that J-rod put 1:04 into Wiggins on two climbs in Dauphine that were not terribly hard, would be 1:44 with the 20 second time bonuses like the Vuelta has. (or is it 10 sec, please correct me if I'm wrong), that's just two climbs, and Wiggins hasn't cracked on either one of these, and let me assure you the Angry Lou will crack him

Wiggins was in Tour prep, just like everyone else. Rodriguez had Giro form. You can't really compare that.

 

[Bavarianrider]

If it's hot and windy easily 4min +
5min + on Tony
Gaps were massive in Salamanca in 1999
(Notice that Ulle had a puncture)

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[auscyclefan94]

Wiggins was in Tour prep, just like everyone else. Rodriguez had Giro form. You can't really compare that.

Hmmm, I am of the view that Wiggins was at his peak at the Dauphine but in saying that Rodriguez seemed to come with very strong form at the Dauphine from the giro.

 

[theyoungest]

If it's hot and windy easily 4min +
5min + on Tony
Gaps were massive in Salamanca in 1999
(Notice that Ulle had a puncture)

Those were different times...

 

[Angliru]

Hmmm, I am of the view that Wiggins was at his peak at the Dauphine but in saying that Rodriguez seemed to come with very strong form at the Dauphine from the giro.

What sense would it be for him to be at his peak at the Dauphine if he was hoping to do well at the Tour???

 

[auscyclefan94]

It isn't that easy to control form. It can just come earlier or later than expected. Clearly J Rod wanted to be in peak form for the Giro but that didn't happen.

 

[sublimit]

Or maybe 21 people who watched the Dauphine.

or some (i can vouch for at least 1) who voted for Brad cause they like him and knew how much it would erk some people to see him get votes.

of course he will not win but its nice to have a positive outlook for a few days. Reckon some people need to take things less seriously.

it is sport. there are fans. we like to support our favourites even when we know they are likely to fail. otherwise we would all support barcelona.

You hit the nail on the head. Polls are about having some fun and yes I admit to voting Wiggins just to annoy and baffle certain pretentious people here.

But at least I can say I've done some racing even if I know **** all about forecasting a result.

 

[veganrob]

the field is good enough to bump wiggins out of the top 5 fight with no trouble.

Not talking about top 5, we are talking about ITT Wiggins against JRod

 

[veganrob]

Well, you do realize that J-rod put 1:04 into Wiggins on two climbs in Dauphine that were not terribly hard, would be 1:44 with the 20 second time bonuses like the Vuelta has. (or is it 10 sec, please correct me if I'm wrong), that's just two climbs, and Wiggins hasn't cracked on either one of these, and let me assure you the Angry Lou will crack him

Again, read the poll question. ITT. Wiggins and JRod. I don't see anywhere mentioned about mountain stages and bonus points. Duh

 

[MartinGT]

As much as Wiggo is going lose to J-Rod in the mountains....
but seriously, what makes folks here think Wiggo has got a serious shot at the Vuelta title this year?

The same ones who thought he had a shot at the Tour......

 

[Fetisoff]

Again, read the poll question. ITT. Wiggins and JRod. I don't see anywhere mentioned about mountain stages and bonus points. Duh

The field is not that tough and I think Brad wants a top GT result this year. Dauphine not enough for him. He has something to prove

YAAAAAWN.... Please read the poll, I don't see anywhere a mention of a GT result of Dauphine.

 

[Reverend_T_Preedy]

I hope the poll results make your chest swell with GB pride. Gratuitous nonsense

Must be hard to live with a chip on your shoulder that big. Typical Scot to be honest.

 

[Parrulo]

Not talking about top 5, we are talking about ITT Wiggins against JRod

i quoted you and bolded the part where you say the field is weak so he can top 5. i responded to that. ..

if the thread is about wiggins vs purito itt then why are you mentioning a GC spot wiggins may be able to achieve?

 

[sublimit]

i quoted you and bolded the part where you say the field is weak so he can top 5. i responded to that. ..

if the thread is about wiggins vs purito itt then why are you mentioning a GC spot wiggins may be able to achieve?

Wiggins will clearly batter J-Rod in the ITT but some other bitter people here brought up the Mountains thing instead of starting their own thread on how useless Wiggins will be against J-Rod on the steep climbs.

I've had it with this thread anyway.