How The Pro's Defeat The Anti Doping System

[Anonymous]

By the same token Dims use of the term ex-alcoholic was not quite accurate either. You can be an ex-drunk but the only way you can be an ex-alcoholic is to be dead.

Noted, fair point. I was merely however using it to see if the Lean Mean ones views on rehabilitation only applied to Joe or for all people who have less than perfect pasts.

 

[red_flanders]

the problem needs to be tackled from both sides, feel free to lobby the governing bodies too. i'm right behind you, except it's not what the thread was about heretofore.

You should probably have another look at my post. Unless you mean something different by "governing bodies" than I meant with "organizing bodies" in my post.

 

[Anonymous]

By the same token Dims use of the term ex-alcoholic was not quite accurate either. You can be an ex-drunk but the only way you can be an ex-alcoholic is to be dead.

Tell me about it. I will have 19 years clean in a couple of months, and I still go to meetings. I know too many people who did think they were cured. Turns out hey weren't. Dim just wrote too fast, plus the only person who needs to remember there is no cure is the alcoholic.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Dim just wrote too fast, plus the only person who needs to remember there is no cure is the alcoholic.

Oh I know, was just trying to highlight how far off the mark the other guy was.

 

[tubularglue]

little by slowly

 

[Big GMaC]

just something of a ponderance. When testers were going through the hair sample period, what would they have done with a rider like Levi? I mean, the man has no hair on his head. Do they have to use alternative sources? Because that could get awkward, if it had to be plucked by a 3rd party...

 

[Franklin]

just something of a ponderance. When testers were going through the hair sample period, what would they have done with a rider like Levi? I mean, the man has no hair on his head. Do they have to use alternative sources? Because that could get awkward, if it had to be plucked by a 3rd party...

They pee under observation, so getting a body hair isn't that much of a stretch of decency if you passed that line

 

[Ripper]

Tell me about it. I will have 19 years clean in a couple of months, and I still go to meetings.

Hey, congrats! Good work

 

[flicker]

bleach all body hair, draino enema, reverse urine catheterising, 1 gallon 20 percent vinegar orally.. 45 minutes on treadmill at highest speed,cash donation to drug tester.

 

[Oldman]

bleach all body hair, draino enema, reverse urine catheterising, 1 gallon 20 percent vinegar orally.. 45 minutes on treadmill at highest speed,cash donation to drug tester.

You forgot the picture of McQuaid, the sheep and Ann Gripper with the whip...that gets you a free pass.

 

[Anonymous]

Hey, congrats! Good work

Thank you.

 

[craig1985]

John,

Excellent views there. I understand what you're saying but say I want to watch the Tour de France and want to stand beside the barricades near to the finish line . How much would I have to pay to get that position and is some of that money indirectly going into the prize money pie? [Obviously I have to fly there first , either way I can't afford it ]

To answer your question, no it does not cost anything to be at the start or finish of a TdF stage. If you want a good spot then you get there early with an electric cattle prod (something you should seriously consider Dimspace ) . But if you want VIP spots then yes you have to pay.

 

[cotterpin]

Aicar

What about AICAR? Is everybody on it? Is there any test? Does LA's TDF profile fit its use ? Is there a profile?

 

[El Imbatido]

What about AICAR? Is everybody on it? Is there any test? Does LA's TDF profile fit its use ? Is there a profile?

Cotterpin, i'm no expert on drugs but this is taken straight from the wiki page on AICAR and it says there is a test already in use

In 2008, researchers at the Salk Institute discovered that AICAR given to experimental mice significantly improves their performance in endurance-type exercise, apparently by converting fast-twitch muscle fibers to the more energy-efficient, fat-burning, slow-twitch type....................Because of the enhanced endurance effects, this could potentially be used by athletes to enhance their performance. One of the lead researchers from this study has developed a urine test to detect it and has made the test available to the International Olympic Committee, and the World Anti-Doping Agency has added AICAR to the prohibited list from 2009 onwards

So according to this the IOC and WADA already have a test for it. Wonder if anyone will go down for using it?

 

[Galic Ho]

What about AICAR? Is everybody on it? Is there any test? Does LA's TDF profile fit its use ? Is there a profile?

To answer a short question. We don't know Lance's weight for most years, but he is somewhere in the 73-75 kilo range at the Tour. 75kg is my bet. Wiggins is another rider who looked to have lost a ton of weight. Amounts that hypothetically should have included muscle mass from his legs, because he lost between 7-9 kg and was already a very low body fat percentage. The profile of AICAR undoubtedly helps someone wishing to do that. In my opinion, Wiggins had more potential gains from using AICAR than any other GC rider in 2009. Lance comes in at second. Do we know? Nope, as to my knowledge there is no test, because the drug is still in the approval stages by medical authorities.

Just read El Imbatido's wiki reference. When the LNDD announce a test for it I'll believe it. I don't trust wiki to be even 75% accurate.

 

[Winterfold]

Amounts that hypothetically should have included muscle mass from his legs, because he lost between 7-9 kg and was already a very low body fat percentage.

No hypothetical about it looking at these pix:

 

[BroDeal]

At the 2009 Tour:

 

[BroDeal]

At the 2009 TdF:

From the past:

I am not seeing a lot of loss here.

The letour site lists him as 76 kg.

EDIT: While trying to find a pre 2009 weight for Wiggins, I came across this howler from Velonews:

"The 20-pound weight loss (equivalent to the loss by the much shorter Armstrong pre- and post-cancer) has enabled Wiggins to climb better and still use the great power he has shown over the past decade on velodromes all over the world. But people forget that his first pro road race victory (as opposed to road time trials, of which he has won many) came in a mountain stage of the 2005 Tour de l’Avenir."

http://velonews.competitor.com/2009/07/news/brad-wiggins-the-joker-in-the-pack_95081

20 lbs for Armstrong?? Yeah, right. Don't those morons at Velonews ever check their facts?

An ESPN site for the 2008 Olympics lists WIggins as 76 kg. olympics.org.uk lists him as 77 kg.

 

[53 x 11]

They pee under observation, so getting a body hair isn't that much of a stretch of decency if you passed that line

When you are tested you have to be pretty much naked with the tester staring at your bits adn the sample jar. Last time they tested me I looked over and said very softly "while you're down there, give it a kiss" The 60 year old man who was observing didnt think that was very funny.

 

[Galic Ho]

No hypothetical about it looking at these pix:

I was being nice. I know he dropped the weight. Wiggins is to easy a target for me to poke fun at. I could take a swipe at his recent article up on this site, but I won't. He really should keep his mouth shut. Once again Brad provided vague comments that can be interpreted as his vested interests and mortgage in doping
.
By the way, why would one refer to their former team, who enabled your recent success and upgraded market value, as "that team?" Why not just call them Garmin. I'm reading too much into his comments. I need the spoken tone. Just seems tacky to me and nasty to me. Seems Millar is peeved at him. Again, good work Brad.

 

[Race Radio]

EDIT: While trying to find a pre 2009 weight for Wiggins, I came across this howler from Velonews:

"The 20-pound weight loss (equivalent to the loss by the much shorter Armstrong pre- and post-cancer) has enabled Wiggins to climb better and still use the great power he has shown over the past decade on velodromes all over the world. But people forget that his first pro road race victory (as opposed to road time trials, of which he has won many) came in a mountain stage of the 2005 Tour de l’Avenir."

http://velonews.competitor.com/2009/07/news/brad-wiggins-the-joker-in-the-pack_95081

20 lbs for Armstrong?? Yeah, right. Don't those morons at Velonews ever check their facts?

It should come as no surprise that the same "Writer" that wrote that claim on Velonews also "Wrote" this "Book"

Lance: The Making of the World's Greatest Champion

http://www.amazon.com/Lance-Making-Worlds-Greatest-Champion/dp/0306815877

 

[biokemguy]

Just read El Imbatido's wiki reference. When the LNDD announce a test for it I'll believe it. I don't trust wiki to be even 75% accurate.

The PI, Ron Evans, of the recent paper on AICAR has been saying there's a test for AICAR since the paper was published. In every interview in the science and non-science press I read, he made sure to mention that there's a test for AICAR's use as a PED.

My cynical speculation is that this was a scare tactic to buy time until a test was developed. The methods used for the mice experiments in that paper don't overlap with a lab that has expertise in the type of analytical chemistry necessary for developing such a test. OTOH, publication of the paper could have been delayed until the test was developed in collaboration with another lab.

That being said, AICAR is a small molecule drug which should be easy to develop a test for. The paper was published in Aug. 2008, there's been plenty of time to develop such a test, even by last year's TdF.
I can't remember for sure if it's in clinical trials for anti-obesity treatment, but if it is then such a test has surely been developed to track it's pharmacokinetics in humans.

 

[the big ring]

When you are tested you have to be pretty much naked with the tester staring at your bits adn the sample jar. Last time they tested me I looked over and said very softly "while you're down there, give it a kiss" The 60 year old man who was observing didnt think that was very funny.

Neither do I. Disrespectful ****.

 

[53 x 11]

Neither do I. Disrespectful ****.

Oh, noes.......... don't you love me?

 

[D Avoid]

I was being nice. I know he dropped the weight. Wiggins is to easy a target for me to poke fun at. I could take a swipe at his recent article up on this site, but I won't. He really should keep his mouth shut. Once again Brad provided vague comments that can be interpreted as his vested interests and mortgage in doping
.
By the way, why would one refer to their former team, who enabled your recent success and upgraded market value, as "that team?" Why not just call them Garmin. I'm reading too much into his comments. I need the spoken tone. Just seems tacky to me and nasty to me. Seems Millar is peeved at him. Again, good work Brad.

He is, after all, an alcoholic. No I'm not doing the big long speel. He often will do better after a few than while he is starving himself of the juice(lager), during training and racing but a non drinking alco is in a much more perilous state than a reformed/remodelled. I would not normally comment on his problem publicly but his general disloyalty prompts a similar feeling in me.

It is he who is being referred to with regards to being unable to keep wheels, then turning out top quality mountain rides?


His twittering attempts at being the witty/clever man of the peloton will haunt him one day, if he gives up the sauce. If he continues, then it will just remain as one of the props of his performance. Sorry Brad but I can't be Vaughtered with yo any more.