How will Jens Voigt prepare his hour record attempt ?

[Dear Wiggo]

If you accept that and like me you're anti-doping, you were left with two options really - either abandon the sport completely as a fan because you are consumed by hatred, or find something to differentiate between riders other than their assumed purity so that you can at least have someone to root for.

I keep banging on about this but it is possible to be anti-doping and not consumed with hatred whatsoever. In fact hatred is never necessary, and always has options of non-hatred. Way too much energy expenditure for anything in life.

You do not need someone to root for to enjoy a sport either.

Lots more options than that.

 

[OldCranky]

I keep banging on about this but it is possible to be anti-doping and not consumed with hatred whatsoever. In fact hatred is never necessary, and always has options of non-hatred. Way too much energy expenditure for anything in life.

You do not need someone to root for to enjoy a sport either.

Lots more options than that.

On the first point, my view is that it's all a matter for the individual - I will neither endorse, nor criticise anybody else's opinion, it's not my place to do so; I just concern myself with my own. I may discuss other people's opinion with them occasionally but I try not to judge because I don't like it when other people try to impose their values on me.

On the second point, I agree that you don't 'need' to and there are sports that I watch purely for the spectacle without being particularly engaged with any of the individuals or teams involved. It's just that cycling was never one of them in my case. Each to their own.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Opinion has nothing to do with it. Hatred does nothing for anyone. It's as useful as cancer.

 

[ralphbert]

Opinion has nothing to do with it. Hatred does nothing for anyone. It's as useful as cancer.

I endorse this statement 100% If more people had this attitude the world would be a more pleasant place.

 

[Bannockburn]

In the end I was a fan.

I'm sorry.

 

[frenchfry]

Opinion has nothing to do with it. Hatred does nothing for anyone. It's as useful as cancer.

But not as lucrative

 

[Jamie1012]

If you accept that and like me you're anti-doping, you were left with two options really - either abandon the sport completely as a fan because you are consumed by hatred, or find something to differentiate between riders other than their assumed purity so that you can at least have someone to root for.

Jens has personality, in spades. People can like his personality, or dislike it, but it's hard to ignore it On top of that, I don't think anybody would argue that Jens has an extraordinary level of pain tolerance and there's surely no doubt that he took himself right out there on the ragged edge more times than I can remember during his career.

Certainly he has personality. A very try-hard personality. What he lacks is character. His doping doesn't bother me. His protection of omerta does. His apparent outrage at Tyler Hamilton's doping but his willingness to ride for Riis does.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I'll say this for ol' Jensie: at least he can man up and get something done. All these wanna be hour record breakers banging on about maybe doing it here or there - all talk and no walk.

 

[Hawkwood]

Lance should give it a shot. Being the same age he should have no problem beating Jensie if he trains for it with the right preparation.

They could set up a virtually no rules at all Hour Record, any bike, any amount of drugs, no tests, and then we'd really see something.

 

[Tangled Tango]

Best post of this thread! No words required.

 

[trevim]

I'll say this for ol' Jensie: at least he can man up and get something done. All these wanna be hour record breakers banging on about maybe doing it here or there - all talk and no walk.

Yeah that much is true. I was starting to get tired of Cancellara, Martin and others talking about it but no one really giving it a try.

 

[William H]

Wiggins went 6% faster than Voigt in the Tour of California ITT, which would put him at 54ish

 

[58teeth]

Man he wasn't even breathing hard at the end of that thing. At least Sosenka had drool coming out of his mouth!

 

[hfer07]

So basically Jens pulled a "Wiggins" ...

 

[More Strides than Rides]

So basically Jens pulled a "Wiggins" ...

Jens to come back for the 2015 yellow jersey, and the fans will be able to say "Look, he just took his track talent and focus to the road. He's the hour record holder, of course he could be the winner in a GT."

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Wiggins went 6% faster than Voigt in the Tour of California ITT, which would put him at 54ish

I find your lack of similarity in this comparison disturbing.

Instead, go back to the 2012 Tour de France and check the speed and distance of the final TT - and consider that was the 2nd last stage of a race he held the yellow jersey in, non-stop, for the final 2 weeks.

 

[blackcat]

So basically Jens pulled a "Wiggins" ...

i would tend to describe it as a reacharound.

may at more generous, a dutch rudder. And I dont meant pieter weening if you get my drift. no you dont get my drift.

think, cambridge spies, words that shall not be spoken about english public schools, and oscar wilde.

highlight for hidden script and easter egg below
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Dutch Rudder

Dutch Rudder
Having someone complete the act of masturbation by pulling up and down on the forearm, while the male holds his own penis.
SnackCake gave Tonkin a Dutch Rudder, because they are two freaky people who like to try new things.

 

[Angliru]

I've never thought he was clean for the reason that's already been alluded to earlier in the thread; you look at the era that he came through in and frankly, anybody outside the autobus (and come to that about 95% of the riders in it) were doping.

If you accept that and like me you're anti-doping, you were left with two options really - either abandon the sport completely as a fan because you are consumed by hatred, or find something to differentiate between riders other than their assumed purity so that you can at least have someone to root for.

Jens has personality, in spades. People can like his personality, or dislike it, but it's hard to ignore it On top of that, I don't think anybody would argue that Jens has an extraordinary level of pain tolerance and there's surely no doubt that he took himself right out there on the ragged edge more times than I can remember during his career.

I'd have preferred to watch a clean sport but as the Stones said, you can't always get what you want. In the absence of that, I'll take a rider like Jens purely for entertainment value.

I don't think he's done this anymore than the average pro, its just that we have constantly been beat over the head with it by him and the media. The implication being that he, like Voeckler and his many pain faces, suffers more than the rest of the peloton and is thus tougher and more courageous which is just ridiculous.

 

[blackcat]

I don't think he's done this anymore than the average pro, its just that we have constantly been beat over the head with it by him and the media. The implication being that he, like Voeckler and his many pain faces, suffers more than the rest of the peloton and is thus tougher and more courageous which is just ridiculous.

how would we know he is just not taking more cortisone and pain killers?

 

[D-Queued]

I don't think he's done this anymore than the average pro, its just that we have constantly been beat over the head with it by him and the media. The implication being that he, like Voeckler and his many pain faces, suffers more than the rest of the peloton and is thus tougher and more courageous which is just ridiculous.

Perhaps Jens is finally deserving of this 15 minutes of fame such that he can hoist himself by his own petard.

To suggest that Jens is a deserving holder of an Hour Record is a complete joke.

1. He is using it as a retirement party, fer crissakes
2. He has never dominated in the TT. Ok, yes, he did win the Grand Prix des Nations once. But that was so 2001.
3. They changed the rules, and Jens is the first to utilize the new, easier, rules
4. As for doping, we don't need Clinic opinions. We have an expert's opinion. Tyler Hamilton, a CSC teammate, suggested that Voigt's professed ignorance about doping on CSC was like "spitting in my face", and "the most ridiculous thing I read in my life"

That Obree would hail Jens is totally bizarre even if we are talking about Obree here. After all, Obree's genius was twice rejected harshly by the UCI given that they changed the rules twice to nullify his records.

How can Obree possibly justify supporting an attempt that was 'fall out of bed easy' in comparison to the Merckx style requirements with a favorable rule change when Obree was so discriminated against?

As for the digs on Sosenko, are these guys serious? The only doper on the record list?

Omerta remains strong with this crowd.

Dave.

 

[D-Queued]

370W target. Quite a bit lower than I calculated using the tool

And the answer is 412 watts!?!



That's even better than Wiggo.

How did I vote in the poll again?

Dave.

 

[D-Queued]

Best post of this thread! No words required.

Agreed.

But, I can't resist.

'Jens powered his Hour Record by sipping straight from the cup of ... '

Dave.

 

[Hemassist]

Perhaps Jens is finally deserving of this 15 minutes of fame such that he can hoist himself by his own petard.

To suggest that Jens is a deserving holder of an Hour Record is a complete joke.

1. He is using it as a retirement party, fer crissakes
2. He has never dominated in the TT. Ok, yes, he did win the Grand Prix des Nations once. But that was so 2001.
3. They changed the rules, and Jens is the first to utilize the new, easier, rules
4. As for doping, we don't need Clinic opinions. We have an expert's opinion. Tyler Hamilton, a CSC teammate, suggested that Voigt's professed ignorance about doping on CSC was like "spitting in my face", and "the most ridiculous thing I read in my life"

That Obree would hail Jens is totally bizarre even if we are talking about Obree here. After all, Obree's genius was twice rejected harshly by the UCI given that they changed the rules twice to nullify his records.

How can Obree possibly justify supporting an attempt that was 'fall out of bed easy' in comparison to the Merckx style requirements with a favorable rule change when Obree was so discriminated against?

As for the digs on Sosenko, are these guys serious? The only doper on the record list?

Omerta remains strong with this crowd.

Dave.

Jen's popularity at the time of the scandal and his willingness to 'shut up brain' made him the shiny glowing codpiece for the UCI. Glad he's retiring, I wonder who the next UCI codpiece is?

 

[doperhopper]

Jens to come back for the 2015 yellow jersey, and the fans will be able to say "Look, he just took his track talent and focus to the road. He's the hour record holder, of course he could be the winner in a GT."

time to start "Great transformation wishes for 2015" thread?

 

[ralphbert]

And the answer is 412 watts!?!



That's even better than Wiggo.

How did I vote in the poll again?

Dave.

And the tool estimated 408 to break, so pretty close. Shows how well understood these things are by the experts