I just have to ask ? Marianne Vos

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

In the case of van Moorsel, that was true...

How can man/woman maintain power when anorexic? U as a physichist must have an answer.

Nice rebut to Froome/Wiggi!

 

[arjanh]

How can man/woman maintain power when anorexic? U as a physichist must have an answer.

She probably ate just enough not to totally wreck herself, but I think she came perilously close to that point.

Oh, and my field was elementary particle physics, not bio-mechanics.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

She probably ate just enough not to totally wreck herself, but I think she came perilously close to that point.

Oh, and my field was elementary particle physics, not bio-mechanics.

She took a leave of absence from the sport a couple of years after that due to anorexia nervosa.

 

[horsinabout]

She probably ate just enough not to totally wreck herself, but I think she came perilously close to that point.

Oh, and my field was elementary particle physics, not bio-mechanics.

I remember her weight problems, and when she retired become morbidly obese. VM must be a case study for weight loss then gain, the psychology and physiology of!

 

[arjanh]

I remember her weight problems, and when she retired become morbidly obese. VM must be a case study for weight loss then gain, the psychology and physiology of!

She never was morbidly obese; obese "at best". I remember the public used to call her a "fat cow" when she returned to racing - shows you how much the Dutch care for their champions....

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

She never was morbidly obese; obese "at best". I remember the public used to call her a "fat cow" when she returned to racing - shows you how much the Dutch care for their champions....

She became femine, indeed, we Dutch know how to treat people...
[she was so healthy she did not even had her period, sport is healthy...]

I misread your previous post, my excuse for that.

 

[D-Queued]

She never was morbidly obese; obese "at best". I remember the public used to call her a "fat cow" when she returned to racing - shows you how much the Dutch care for their champions....

Fortunately, there are these diet pills you can take...

Elementary: Particular physiques.

Dave.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Below the article Tilford has a good argument with Dim...

Vos on the other hand has been riding road all year, she rode one cross race because it was convenient for her and then goes back on her winter break again, she wont be riding any cross in a big way for a little while. Just as a note, if you didnt know, she is riding track in Manchester, England in a few days as well. So logistically its perfect, ride cross, fly back to the warm, train a bit, same time zone, then a quick flight to england, take part in the track event (shes riding a three event omnium), then go back to warmer climbs.

Tilford replies....

If you want to call what she is doing as a winter break, so be it. It is a 12 hour direct flight from Cape Town to England. That is 24 hours of flying round trip for a track race, during a winter break. So, if what you’re saying is true, she raced cyclo-x November 25th in Gieten NED, flew to South Africa to train for, what 4 days at most, then is flying back to England to race in Manchester on December 1st. And that is what you call perfect logistics?

http://stevetilford.com/?p=22928

I dont follow womens cycling but Vos wins everything...no-one has that much talent...road, cross, track....come on !!!

 

[arjanh]

I dont follow womens cycling but Vos wins everything...no-one has that much talent...road, cross, track....come on !!!

Maybe that's what happens when not the whole peleton is on dope. Some stand out.

And just to tease y'all a bit, when would she find the time, considering her busy schedule, to fill all those BBs she'd need to win it all?

 

[bertdz]

Vos didn't fly back to South Africa between Gieten and Manchester, she attended a gala and then trained on the track for a few days in between, just check her twitter feed.

Also, the flight is 10 hours overnight, quite comfortable to watch a movie and sleep if you're travelling first class.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Much like Contador.

Well, no. Is Contador contesting the 'cross season? The Spring Classics? Track too? Vos does it all and does it all well. Again, I could be wrong. But there aren't any peaks/valleys to suggest doping. At all.

There's no contest Contador's a doper, but he does the limited schedule thing that IMHO gives him plausible deniability.

 

[Cloxxki]

Maybe that's what happens when not the whole peleton is on dope. Some stand out.

And just to tease y'all a bit, when would she find the time, considering her busy schedule, to fill all those BBs she'd need to win it all?

That's a very strong argument to consider, props.
Vos doesn't "hide" like GC guys, at least not nearly as long. She does all seasons, all well.
It would be interesting for someone to make up a BB schedule for 2012 up till the 2013 XC worlds.

She's going to try MTB again, because of Rio. In MTB, she was winning senior nationas at like 14-15yo, but she never ruled the MTB senior scene. It was her least favorite discipline (OK marathon speed skating even less so), she had to drop something to do road, cross and track.
I'll be interested to see how she handles contemporary MTB's and courses. It may suit her specific talent less than CX, with its short bursts of power and harder line picking.

 

[arjanh]

After I made my last remark here, I remembered Tom Boonen *****ing about the length of some stages, claiming long stages encouraged doping. Others moaned about an over-full calendar, also claiming it encourages doping.

Now, with my remark on finding time to fill the BBs, I now think that the above-mentioned complaints were only made to get the time to fill the BBs and also more time to use the BBs at the end of the stages (and possibly get one or two more days out of a single BB).

 

[TheEnoculator]

Two reasons I believe Vos is clean: she's been winning consistently since 15, and she's stated that she hates TT. After London, she said she wished she never had to do another TT ever again.

That's not the profile of a doper.

 

[happychappy]

Two reasons I believe Vos is clean: she's been winning consistently since 15, and she's stated that she hates TT. After London, she said she wished she never had to do another TT ever again.

That's not the profile of a doper.

Case closed then! I'm glad you cleared that up.

 

[TheEnoculator]

Case closed then! I'm glad you cleared that up.

No need for the sarcasm. I only give my two cents.

 

[alitogata]

No one can be so good in so many different variations of the same sport, winning every single race, every time without getting not a single second place for so many racing seasons and for so many years. It is just not possible for any normal athlete even on elite athletes to have the same great performance all year round.

Not mention here that she is a woman and women can't have, due to their physiology, a standard performance. They can be more endure than men, but this is not standard each and every day of a month,( you know what I mean). So, I don't think that she is clean.
Perhaps she is talented and a natural athlete, but for sure not clean.

But it seems that no one notices something so obvious or bathers to think a little about it.

 

[sniper]

Two reasons I believe Vos is clean: she's been winning consistently since 15, and she's stated that she hates TT. After London, she said she wished she never had to do another TT ever again.

That's not the profile of a doper.

more like the profile of an early doper with a dislike for TTs.

ever since Leontien van Moorsel (if not earlier), doping is very common among Dutch women.

Was Vos ever with Leinders?

 

[Aapjes]

No one can be so good in so many different variations of the same sport, winning every single race, every time without getting not a single second place for so many racing seasons and for so many years.

She had 15 second place results in 2012 and plenty of worse results too. She got silver in the Road World Championships for 5 years in a row.

But it seems that no one notices something so obvious or bothers to think a little about it.

Why would that be

 

[zachateseverything]

The women's cycling field really isn't that well developed at all. It really isn't surprising that there could be a women with supreme natural gifts dominating most of the calender when participation is as low as it is. A lot of her top competitors (Pooley, Stevens, etc.) were into their 20's before they started training on the bike seriously.

I think if you're going to be overly cynical about anyone and everyone that wins a lot you should probably pick a different sport to follow. It'll save yourself a lot of headaches.

 

[DirtyWorks]

No one can be so good in so many different variations of the same sport, winning every single race, every time without getting not a single second place for so many racing seasons and for so many years. It is just not possible for any normal athlete even on elite athletes to have the same great performance all year round.

Pre-EPO, it happened. Not all the time, but it certainly happened. Lemond, Hinault, Merckx, Altig, and so on.

And she does miss the top step of the podium sometimes. Look at her Olympic performances. She's been beaten more than once. I think most of us like this facet of the sport. The strongest is not always gauranteed the win.

Dopers like to hide out between dope-cycle peaks because their performances tend to falll off a cliff. That is nothing like Vos. As others have stated her schedule is full, multi-multi discipline, and the performances in that schedule remarkably consistent.

 

[TheEnoculator]

ever since Leontien van Moorsel (if not earlier), doping is very common among Dutch women.

Can you elaborate more how doping was common among Dutch women?

 

[theyoungest]

Can you elaborate more how doping was common among Dutch women?

I don't think he really knows... for instance, the Vos-Leinders connection is a bit ludicrous. He probably sees 'Rabobank' on her shirt and thinks he rode for them all her life

The Clinic can turn everyone into a doper. Simply start a thread with 'she wins a lot, this can't be true'. And there you go.

 

[sniper]

Can you elaborate more how doping was common among Dutch women?

should have stated more clearly that those are my two cents.

about Van Moorsel there can be little doubt, however.
Van Poppel. Results. No anti-doping stance.
All speaks for itself.

 

[Cloxxki]

There were examples of Dutch MTB ladies signing for a pro MTB team, after solo'ing for years. Different bike, new outfit, and 20 minutes closer to the winnen on the next world cup race, all won on uphills. Acute performance hike. I know a lady who quit racing over this. So disheartening to be able to compete one day, and the next be lapped basically, by the same girl who's been wheel-to-wheel with you for years.
In MTB racing, other racer's performances are very predictable. If a rider I knew was around 30 seconds faster over an hour's race than usual, I could already tell. I'd ask, and he'd respond he'd been having a few days leave from work, being better rested. 20 minutes over 2 hours of world cup, that's ludicrous, yet it happened. To the nation's sweetheart racer. And it did not kill her career, but someone else's, having lost the drive to compete against chemicals.