So what are they using and doing now to bet the tests?Fester said:Technically it's still cheating. They have blanket terms, referring to any substance or method which enhances performance. And of course things that are not yet invented are banned; they have preemptive banning of thing like gene doping.
Creatine is a performance enhancing substance but is not banned because it is considered to be a foodstuff.Fester said:Technically it's still cheating. They have blanket terms, referring to any substance or method which enhances performance. And of course things that are not yet invented are banned; they have preemptive banning of thing like gene doping.
There are generalised exceptions, but nothing as general as "any substance or method which enhances performance". For example, the group of compounds to which something belongs (eg steroids), or the mode of action, are specified.Fester said:Technically it's still cheating. They have blanket terms, referring to any substance or method which enhances performance.
Including methods that promote the bodies natural responses, things like altitude? That's part of the problem with general and overbroad statements.galaxy1 said:I think any sort of blood manipulation can be considered to be doping. Some of it may even have been 'legal' once, depending on the exact wording of the rules - but I think 'doping' describes it pretty well.
And here's the WADA Prohibited List, as used by the UCI:Gee333 said:if it's not on the banned list then it's NOT doping.
EPO was banned in 1990. The clinical trial data was published some time in the late 80's and it was approved in '89, so there wasn't a long period where it wasn't expressly banned.fatterboy said:Lots of writing about first EPO user but if it was being used as early as some people are saying and if it wasn't band was it cheating?
Hi 131313,131313 said:"The following, with the potential to enhance athletic performance, are prohibited:
1- The transfer of cells or genetic elements (e.g. DNA, RNA);
2- The use of pharmacological or biological agents that alter gene expression."
The comment that "if it's not on the banned list, it's not doping" is categorically false.
You can read all about it for yourself if you'd like.
and also because it will not kill you like epo. creatine is an amino acid. things like creatine and other aminos etc.. certainly help a bit for some more than others but i feel things like this are not bad for health if anything some are beneficial to health and do not give huge gains like epo blood doping etc.. so i dont think they should be banned plus there found in food so would be difficult to ban anyways.simo1733 said:Creatine is a performance enhancing substance but is not banned because it is considered to be a foodstuff.
Yep, they did.Square-pedaller said:Hi 131313,
I presume that our posts crossed, as we've linked to the same article.
I disagree with your comment that "The comment that "if it's not on the [prohibited] list, it's not doping" is categorically false". Your quote about DNA/RNA technologies is from the Prohibited list - so these procedures - which are not specifically listed - are doping. Anything with is not on the Prohibited list - either specifically listed or generally specified - is not doping.
What are they using now? The ones that know certainly aren't going to tell.fatterboy said:So what are they using and doing now to bet the tests?
There must be loads of stuff out there that is being used.
I know some young guys personly who have signed for Radio shack and they are clean
Moral Imperitive, a/k/a Wishful Thinking.md2020 said:
you forgot to list the most obvious one that's smack in the heart of the wada code - illegal possession - found either by the nada garbage diggers or the police.dbrower said:Moral Imperitive, a/k/a Wishful Thinking.
In the optimistic sense, you hope you will develop a test later you can apply to samples retroactively. In the best case, you can do this in a way consistent with the limitations and ajudication process. In the messy case, you end up with Armstrong, EPO, and 1999 samples tested later.
Food is a performance enhancing substance but it is not banned because it is considered to be a foodstuff. Creatine is not performance enhancing for endurance cyclists.simo1733 said:Creatine is a performance enhancing substance but is not banned because it is considered to be a foodstuff.
What are you talking about? Have you actually read the WADA code and prohibit list? It's very clear, concise and well-written. Sure, there are some areas for interpretation but they are limited and necessary. It's absolutely nothing like ridiculous documents which emanate from the UCI.brianf7 said:If Pantani had had his ears cliped back to make him more aero would that be ilegal also.
One day someone will create a hormone that grows brain cells in WADA exec but untill then we must suffer.
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