Il Lombardia 2015, Oct 4th

[Jspear]

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I don't think people are arguing with you trying to say Yates will win Lombardia this year. I think people's problem was with the single word NEVER.

OK I admit this is my fault but still I do not think he will have much chances to win some monument in future

Well, we shall see. What type of rider do you think he'll develop to be?
IMO it's real hard to say. If he continues to better his climbing and learns to ride well over a long period of time, I'd say he has as much of a chance as the next guy. I am curious this year to see how Orica does....they'll have their 3 young climbers here. I'm hoping they will perform well. Is a top 10 to much to ask for from Chaves?....

 

[DBotero]

J.Rod is the main favorite for this,as i think he's a bit fresher than Alejandro.Hopefully the useless journey to USA didn't affected him too much.Astana has a crazy team,let's see if they can push Nibali to glory.Henao&Poels and the Yates might have something to say about this too.

 

[bassano]

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Well, we shall see. What type of rider do you think he'll develop to be?
IMO it's real hard to say. If he continues to better his climbing and learns to ride well over a long period of time, I'd say he has as much of a chance as the next guy. I am curious this year to see how Orica does....they'll have their 3 young climbers here. I'm hoping they will perform well. Is a top 10 to much to ask for from Chaves?....

I think he will focus his strenght on GC Tour de France GC riding (posibly TOP 5) with posibility of TOP 5 in some monuments like LBL or Lombardia but hard to win when he is not so fast, he will need to shake up everyone else and I do not believe he will

 

[huge]

I think there has been too much talking of Nibali being the favourite... I bet he won't even be in the top 10.

 

[Arredondo]

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Is Chaves going to do Lombardia?

According to cyclingquotes, yes. Both Yates brothers plus Chaves.

Good. Curious to see if can already manage a monument. If he can, he can fight for top-5. Maybe podium.

 

[damian13ster]

With his descending skills? No way

 

[Arredondo]

With his descending skills? No way

The race will be extremely hard, with a lot of rain. So the differences will be made already before a crucial descent.

 

[damian13ster]

Possibly, but he would have to have a significant 20+ second gap over the top.
I really do not see that happening. Maybe he proves me wrong

 

[Arredondo]

Possibly, but he would have to have a significant 20+ second gap over the top.
I really do not see that happening. Maybe he proves me wrong

I'm saying for top-5, not winning. If he's with the 5 best guys at the top of San Fermo, he can finish in the top-5. Makes rather sense too me

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Obvious Astana win is obvious

 

[yaco]

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You really haven't a clue what you are talking about

Yates 'will never win' and he has already at 23 won San Sebastian
Martin 'will never win' and he has won Il LOmbardia & LBL plus several top 10's/5s in classics. And 'easy competition' last year when it included all the top one day racers ? He will be 'liquidated' ? What this is not the KGB you know

I do not know what you are on but I'd give it up for October f I were you

Yeah Martin won easiest Lombardia parcours in last 10 years like gerans won MSR because of Cancellara and Nibali he is just simillar wheelsucker like him, he will do nothing up to 1km to go it can not happend again with parcours like this year
if you want to bet that he will not finish it with best 5 I am open to suggestions same as Yates, his only chance in this Lombardia is some mid day break

You have no idea what you are writing - Martin always wheel sucks - Did you not see Martin chase down a breakaway ( alone ) in the TDF and make 3 to 4 minutes on one climb.

Do you understand the concept of teams in cycling - It's a team sport, though individuals may get glory.

 

[yaco]

OGE is sending the strongest possible team - This race must be a priority - Doubt Yates boys or Chavez will finish in the top 5 - Maybe the top 10.

 

[Brullnux]

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I don't think people are arguing with you trying to say Yates will win Lombardia this year. I think people's problem was with the single word NEVER.

OK I admit this is my fault but still I do not think he will have much chances to win some monument in future

Really? They are bigger talents than Kwiat IMO as they can climb better, they are very punchy - winning Lombardia will be logical next step after San Sebastian. Not this year, maybe in a couple of years time then they will be some of the best hilly classics riders. And they are both very attcking. Wellens vs Yates (x2) vs Jules vs maybe Kwiat (if he doesn't keep same form as this year) will be most likely Liege Bastogne Liege in 5 years' time.

They can even win a GT one day if there is very little TT and they train for it. Especially if they use the Adam-one- day-Simon-the-other trick.

 

[Taxus4a]

Today Dan Martin, and Landa, sowhed in Milano-Torino they are ready for Lombardia.

 

[Arredondo]

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Today Dan Martin, and Landa, sowhed in Milano-Torino they are ready for Lombardia.

Landa yes. Martin no. He misses some race days.

But tell me, why you think Martin will be ready for Lombardia?

 

[Valv.Piti]

I dont think Landa showed super promising shape, either. But everything changes when its raining, then climbs are longer and the race itself is a lot harder.

 

[Taxus4a]

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I dont think Landa showed super promising shape, either. But everything changes when its raining, then climbs are longer and the race itself is a lot harder.

Why he has to show anything today? he has just to show he is in shape, i dont know how much he gave.

Other people is not here to dont get tired, so...if he is thinking on sunday and he was 12 he is really strong.

But today werent long climbs and most of the race is flat, it is not the best day for him.

Landa is not a favourite for Lombardia, he iss new there and there a re a lot of strong people in his team.

I think he can do it very well if he had a goog day, but that is just an opinion.

 

[Taxus4a]

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Today Dan Martin, and Landa, sowhed in Milano-Torino they are ready for Lombardia.

Landa yes. Martin no. He misses some race days.

But tell me, why you think Martin will be ready for Lombardia?

Well, today he wanst far, but yes, in his case maybe he is going to be a little bit short of shape. We wiill se, all the poeple rtoay in the top 20 can do it very well on sunday or to dissapoint, but not doing very bad.

 

[jaylew]

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I don't think people are arguing with you trying to say Yates will win Lombardia this year. I think people's problem was with the single word NEVER.

OK I admit this is my fault but still I do not think he will have much chances to win some monument in future

Really? They are bigger talents than Kwiat IMO as they can climb better, they are very punchy - winning Lombardia will be logical next step after San Sebastian. Not this year, maybe in a couple of years time then they will be some of the best hilly classics riders. And they are both very attcking. Wellens vs Yates (x2) vs Jules vs maybe Kwiat (if he doesn't keep same form as this year) will be most likely Liege Bastogne Liege in 5 years' time.

They can even win a GT one day if there is very little TT and they train for it. Especially if they use the Adam-one- day-Simon-the-other trick.

Obviously it's just your opinion but I think that's going way too far. I'm not a huge Kwia fan but in no way do I think the Yates brothers are more talented. Kwia can do it all - climb, sprint, tt, ride cobbles, descend...he's a complete rider. Frankly, I don't think the Yates bros do anything better.

 

[Jspear]

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I don't think people are arguing with you trying to say Yates will win Lombardia this year. I think people's problem was with the single word NEVER.

OK I admit this is my fault but still I do not think he will have much chances to win some monument in future

Really? They are bigger talents than Kwiat IMO as they can climb better, they are very punchy - winning Lombardia will be logical next step after San Sebastian. Not this year, maybe in a couple of years time then they will be some of the best hilly classics riders. And they are both very attcking. Wellens vs Yates (x2) vs Jules vs maybe Kwiat (if he doesn't keep same form as this year) will be most likely Liege Bastogne Liege in 5 years' time.

They can even win a GT one day if there is very little TT and they train for it. Especially if they use the Adam-one- day-Simon-the-other trick.

Obviously it's just your opinion but I think that's going way too far. I'm not a huge Kwia fan but in no way do I think the Yates brothers are more talented. Kwia can do it all - climb, sprint, tt, ride cobbles, descend...he's a complete rider. Frankly, I don't think the Yates bros do anything better.

Perhaps the 2013 Kwiatkowski was able to climb as well as the Yates brothers (and he had consistency over 3 weeks), but he has never had that high level of climbing since then. The Yates brothers are better climbers, but that's it.

 

[jaylew]

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I don't think people are arguing with you trying to say Yates will win Lombardia this year. I think people's problem was with the single word NEVER.

OK I admit this is my fault but still I do not think he will have much chances to win some monument in future

Really? They are bigger talents than Kwiat IMO as they can climb better, they are very punchy - winning Lombardia will be logical next step after San Sebastian. Not this year, maybe in a couple of years time then they will be some of the best hilly classics riders. And they are both very attcking. Wellens vs Yates (x2) vs Jules vs maybe Kwiat (if he doesn't keep same form as this year) will be most likely Liege Bastogne Liege in 5 years' time.

They can even win a GT one day if there is very little TT and they train for it. Especially if they use the Adam-one- day-Simon-the-other trick.

Obviously it's just your opinion but I think that's going way too far. I'm not a huge Kwia fan but in no way do I think the Yates brothers are more talented. Kwia can do it all - climb, sprint, tt, ride cobbles, descend...he's a complete rider. Frankly, I don't think the Yates bros do anything better.

Perhaps the 2013 Kwiatkowski was able to climb as well as the Yates brothers (and he had consistency over 3 weeks), but he has never had that high level of climbing since then. The Yates brothers are better climbers, but that's it.

Possibly, but I'm definitely not convinced of that yet. They have to show they can climb consistently over the course of several days.

 

[orangerider]

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I think there has been too much talking of Nibali being the favourite... I bet he won't even be in the top 10.

agreed. thought this was settled last sunday when he didn't even try to do anything on a final lap that somewhat suited his capabilities to break away and no other cards were left for the team. he just didn't have the legs and won't have it the following sunday either. similarly, I see the Spaniard favorites unfavorable but for different reasons, having been burned out after a long successful season, unlike Nibali.

 

[DFA123]

I think Uran has a great chance to win here. He was excellent in the Canadian races and was leading the chase down for Sagan at the end of the WC, so is obviously in great form. He also probably won't be as closely marked as someone like Valverde or Nibali towards the finish, so might be allowed to get away with the others looking at each other. If he gets a gap he's a good enough TTer to easily stay away, as the others wouldn't well together to chase.

 

[Alexandre B.]

Sounds good for Pinot if it rains. Hopefully he can achieve the top 10 he deserves.

 

[Flamin]

Just read that the Lotto DS thinks the new course suits them better the guy must be a total ***.