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TeamSkyFans said:Good god, is this one still going. How on earth has it made it to page 6?
BotanyBay said:JV wrote:
Hello Mods. Can any of you find out if he ever had such a conversation with CN legal?
Why would he have such a discussion and then choose to leave the post up?
The man has all of these opportunities to be direct, yet he always chooses foggy.
Martin318is said:From what I understand, CN itself saw the posted email and consulted its own legal department before contacting JV to ask if he wanted it taken down - as is his legal right. He instead chose to be friendly to the forum and discuss it. He gave clear, unambiguous answers to the questions posted ABOUT THE EMAIL and then went back to his job.
So, in my opinion, you have just wasted most of an evening trying to insert ridiculous conspiracy theories into one of the simplest, most bland, and least exciting topics in cycling this week. I mean seriously? An email sent 3 years ago comes out telling riders that the team will NOT let them see their own test values and essentially contradicts the common claim that Garmin use the testing to control the risk of riders testing positive. JV confirms that is what it says. End of story.
but hey - its your life to waste
Martin318is said:From what I understand, CN itself saw the posted email and consulted its own legal department before contacting JV to ask if he wanted it taken down - as is his legal right. He instead chose to be friendly to the forum and discuss it. He gave clear, unambiguous answers to the questions posted ABOUT THE EMAIL and then went back to his job.
So, in my opinion, you have just wasted most of an evening trying to insert ridiculous conspiracy theories into one of the simplest, most bland, and least exciting topics in cycling this week. I mean seriously? An email sent 3 years ago comes out telling riders that the team will NOT let them see their own test values and essentially contradicts the common claim that Garmin use the testing to control the risk of riders testing positive. JV confirms that is what it says. End of story.
but hey - its your life to waste
CowboyTx said:It's good that JV would take the time to come on here and at least enter into reasoned debate. Can't imagine Juan Pelota doing that.
BotanyBay said:Stare at the screen harder. In a few minutes, you'll see the picture of the Stealth Bomber.
TeamSkyFans said:Good god, is this one still going. How on earth has it made it to page 6?
BotanyBay said:There are a couple of different ways to interpret the "perceptions and reality" portion of the email.
BotanyBay said:There are a couple of different ways to interpret the "perceptions and reality" portion of the email.
Martin318is said:yes there are - there is the way that a sensible intelligent person would interpret it....
and then there are the other ones.
you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it think.
Colm.Murphy said:Don't be so condescending.
If JV wants to come down in the cellar for a big-boy talk, then he should be prepared to get his nose a bit bloodied when he prances around the natural questions that follow.
The interpretation of the email and its pertinent points can and should be questioned. No one in this sport is above reproach. Not even Monsieur Ascot himself. Beg pardon but until he redresses what are fair and valid questions, he is avoiding the issue, despite sprinkling "transparency" potion on the leaked email.
Colm.Murphy said:Don't be so condescending.
If JV wants to come down in the cellar for a big-boy talk, then he should be prepared to get his nose a bit bloodied when he prances around the natural questions that follow.
The interpretation of the email and its pertinent points can and should be questioned. No one in this sport is above reproach. Not even Monsieur Ascot himself. Beg pardon but until he redresses what are fair and valid questions, he is avoiding the issue, despite sprinkling "transparency" potion on the leaked email.
I am sure that a bunch of people on these posts claim to be some type of professional cyclist whether or not they actually are or were is debatable. I was, however, a USA CYCLING CAT 1 cyclist for a couple of years before realizing that was as far as I was going to get and I decided to "get a real job" (terrible mistake...miss it badly)roundabout said:I am somewhat puzzled as to why a clean rider would need to know wether his ACE tests are ok. with UCI checks surely it's not likely to be health related.
leaked email said:First, the people who have access to the data are ACE, JV, and all members of the team's medical/science staff. As part of our
transparency policy, we have offered to make data available to
journalists upon formal request... a couple of you have already been
involved in that process. That is a very limited and controlled
process, so don't worry that journalist have free access to the
numbers.
Polish said:Is ACE still there?
Different medical/science staff?
Procedures changed?
The Agency for Cycling Ethics has shut down, leaving the Garmin-Chipotle, BMC and Columbia teams hustling to line up a new independent doping testing provider for their riders.
Strauss’ co-founder, Paul Scott, split from the company in March, forming a new company, Scott Analytics, which consults with the Rock Racing team.
Colm.Murphy said:Don't be so condescending.
If JV wants to come down in the cellar for a big-boy talk, then he should be prepared to get his nose a bit bloodied when he prances around the natural questions that follow.
The interpretation of the email and its pertinent points can and should be questioned. No one in this sport is above reproach. Not even Monsieur Ascot himself. Beg pardon but until he redresses what are fair and valid questions, he is avoiding the issue, despite sprinkling "transparency" potion on the leaked email.
Willy_Voet said:Seriously? The cellar? Big-boy talk? Bloodied nose? Monsieur Ascot?
I'm sure JV will be back to address your questions...no matter how shrill the tone.
Hugh Januss said:He does seem a tad pedantic.
Mambo95 said:It's an internal e-mail bashed out by a doctor, not bleeding Chaucer.
Kennf1 said:Imagine how Bruyneel or Riis would seem if they came onto the forum, which of course they won't.
Everyone thinks JV is hiding something because he won't give them a full-on interview. Some people think the e-mail is suspicious on its face, others didn't think it was suspicious, until JV explained it. Now it must be suspicious because JV is commenting on it. Some people think he is being condescending because of his tone in responding to people who are basically accusing him running team-sponsored doping. Go figure.
Seriously, why JV bothers with this forum is beyond me.
Maybe he doesn't want to subject himself to a 'discussion' with a person with such a propensity for misinterpretation, hyperbole and bitter rhetoric.Colm.Murphy said:Don't be so condescending.
If JV wants to come down in the cellar for a big-boy talk, then he should be prepared to get his nose a bit bloodied when he prances around the natural questions that follow.
The interpretation of the email and its pertinent points can and should be questioned. No one in this sport is above reproach. Not even Monsieur Ascot himself. Beg pardon but until he redresses what are fair and valid questions, he is avoiding the issue, despite sprinkling "transparency" potion on the leaked email.
Kennf1 said:Imagine how Bruyneel or Riis would seem if they came onto the forum, which of course they won't.
Everyone thinks JV is hiding something because he won't give them a full-on interview. Some people think the e-mail is suspicious on its face, others didn't think it was suspicious, until JV explained it. Now it must be suspicious because JV is commenting on it. Some people think he is being condescending because of his tone in responding to people who are basically accusing him running team-sponsored doping. Go figure.
Seriously, why JV bothers with this forum is beyond me.