International arrest warrant issued against Landis

[TheDude]

Why don't they forget the whole thing

OK my reaction was, is Landis still relevent? Does anybody (except him and apparently French authorities) even care what he does? It isn't like he is ever going to make a significant difference again.

I say give the poor old dog a break and quit beating him when he is down. Drop the charges.

On second thought, he did rather bring all of this on himself didn't he.

 

[BroDeal]

Check out the comments on the Velonews story. Priceless. Even Carboncrank might have trouble equaling this stupidity:

"I remember when they tried to do this to Lance too...accusing him of hacking into the L'Equipe system or something"

"hmmmmm...in other words, the french judge is mad at floyd for finding out info about his case that the french lab tried to keep secret because it might put them in a negative light or help to prove him innocent. c'est la vie"

"Honesty hate French bashing, BUT.....
seems like the French will leave no "crime" unpunished, unless its the illegal/immoral sales of weapons systems and nuclear technology to a freakin madman in charge of the totalitarian state of Iran by French companies."

"Floyd tried what anyone else would do, find the secret documents that the French try to keep hidden to show that the results they put out on him were flawed. I actually think that it was a creative way to find information that might help you. Go Floyd"

"This should be no surprise, typical French bull. I am not defending Landis, but the track record speaks for itself. They should scrutinize their own teams and riders as much as they do everyone else. The French can't accept the fact they no longer dominated the tour, so it easier to imply that everyone else is guilty of doping, and what ever other crimes they can drum up."

"someone hacked into the labs computer?? makes you wonder how safe any o the results are (positive or neg) and if this was an excuse or plan to discredit another american from yet again winning the tour de FRANCE."

 

[Bala Verde]

Check out the comments on the Velonews story. Priceless. Even Carboncrank might have trouble equaling this stupidity:

"I remember when they tried to do this to Lance too...accusing him of hacking into the L'Equipe system or something"

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Could it be Landis' slimmed down PR campaign to influence public opinion...?

 

[sadfitty]

It has to be. No way that is for real....or?

 

[BroDeal]

Talking about TBV, I found this pic of "TBV" on Mt. Diablo. Could it be Carboncrank? Or are ONCE jerseys the jersey of choice for apologists?

 

[Le breton]

50%

Probably the French dude Jason Lamy Chappuis will have a non negative thus giving the U.S.A. the win!

According to Lamy Chappuis'website, he was born in the US ( his mother is from the US, met his father at a ClubMed). It's more than likely that he is a dual national.

So, you might consider it as a 50% US win already.


"Bio Express
Jason LAMY CHAPPUIS
Né le 9 Septembre 1986 à Missoula, Montana - USA
Nickname : Jèz
179 cm / 65 kg
Club : S.C. Bois d’Amont / Douane"

Bois d'Amont is only a short distance from here, a stronghold of cross-country skiing. The Transjurassienne event ( which was held last sunday) goes through Bois d'Amont before crossing into Switzerland and then back into France. That event is the biggest one in France in cross-country skiing. 76 km, about 4000 compete in it.

When the racers go through Bois d'Amont it feels almost like in a TdF stage, with far more cowbells though.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Talking of Crankie....he is conspicuous, by his absence.
The French didn't name a "third man" on that arrest warrant?
After all, he's one cuckoo short of a clock.....

 

[Oldman]

Talking of Crankie....he is conspicuous, by his absence.
The French didn't name a "third man" on that arrest warrant?
After all, he's one cuckoo short of a clock.....

The alarm just went off in the "Who rides here" thread. No stone unturned...

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Those VeloNews comments are either planted, or from a select group of incredibly naive people.

Floyd's increasingly narrow option is still the one true path to take - tell the truth.

 

[Anonymous]

This guy should have lost his yellow jersey on stupidity alone....Floyd and his buddy hack into their computer, gets private info and then goes to court and uses what he got thru the hacking....I can only think here of Melville's quote:

"Genius 'Round the World Stand Hand in Hand, and One Shock of Recognition Runs the Whole Circle 'Round".

 

[philsinclair]

I just find this really stupid. If AFLD had any 'class' then they would just drop it. Landis is now a spent force, guilty or not, why carry on kicking a man when he is down? Actually, come to think of it, isn't Boudry and AFLD now a spend force? I rest my case ... 'no class'.

 

[BroDeal]

Those VeloNews comments are either planted, or from a select group of incredibly naive people.

Floyd's increasingly narrow option is still the one true path to take - tell the truth.

You have to wonder if any former teammates would back FLandis up. Would Vaughters continue with his non-admission admissions? Would Hamilton stay quiet to keep his gold medal?

 

[BroDeal]

I just find this really stupid. If AFLD had any 'class' then they would just drop it. Landis is now a spent force, guilty or not, why carry on kicking a man when he is down? Actually, come to think of it, isn't Boudry and AFLD now a spend force? I rest my case ... 'no class'.

This is not the AFLD. It is the French legal system investigating a crime. Boudry has nothing to do with it.

The answer to Landis' problems is obvious: Marry a Spanish girl and switch his citizenship to Spain.

 

[Kennf1]

I just find this really stupid. If AFLD had any 'class' then they would just drop it. Landis is now a spent force, guilty or not, why carry on kicking a man when he is down? Actually, come to think of it, isn't Boudry and AFLD now a spend force? I rest my case ... 'no class'.

Sooo...computer hackers should get off if they're poor?

 

[Oncearunner8]

What about Will Geoghegan, did he get off scot free?

I think so. After "rehab" I guess all was forgiven? Maybe he is still working for Floyd?

 

[Oncearunner8]

According to Lamy Chappuis'website, he was born in the US ( his mother is from the US, met his father at a ClubMed). It's more than likely that he is a dual national.

So, you might consider it as a 50% US win already.


"Bio Express
Jason LAMY CHAPPUIS
Né le 9 Septembre 1986 à Missoula, Montana - USA
Nickname : Jèz
179 cm / 65 kg
Club : S.C. Bois d’Amont / Douane"

Bois d'Amont is only a short distance from here, a stronghold of cross-country skiing. The Transjurassienne event ( which was held last sunday) goes through Bois d'Amont before crossing into Switzerland and then back into France. That event is the biggest one in France in cross-country skiing. 76 km, about 4000 compete in it.

When the racers go through Bois d'Amont it feels almost like in a TdF stage, with far more cowbells though.

Yes I heard that also.

It was a awsome race.



Floyd is probably hiding out in Juarez Mexico now?

 

[Big Ring]

The only chance Floyd has of not destroying the rest of his life is to get on the next plane to Paris and start singing like a canary.

According to the French newspaper Le Monde

"The arrest warrant, which is valid "for France", was issued by the magistrate
of Nanterre, Thomas Cassuto, for "attacking a system of automatic processing data "and" concealment ", said a judicial source. According to the president of the AFLD, Pierre Bordry, Floyd Landis was convened in October 2009, asking him to "explain how he had obtained the information used in his defense, "after testing positive for testosterone at the Tour de France in 2006.

But the rider and his compatriot and collaborator Arnie Baker, also under investigation, did not present themselves to the meeting.
The judge then issued an arrest warrant against Arnie Baker in November, then another against Landis on January 28"

It is so stupid, Landis would not have to be present at that hearing, he only needed to have a French Lawyer represent him.

 

[ridley]

Floyd's increasingly narrow option is still the one true path to take - tell the truth.

If you lied enough times, then you start to believe it is the truth - not too sure how you make the distiction anymore

 

[Carboncrank]

I had a different experience with him than you. Glad to know he was only an a-hole to me. Everybody's prone to a bad day, I suppose.

I withdraw my nut-case comment.

If you made your politics known it wouldn't surprise me a bit.

 

[kurtinsc]

How does something like this work.

You are living in one country.

You dont' have much money (apparently sleeping on a friends sofa or something).

The justice system of another country subpoena's you for testimony. Not an arrest warrant... just wanting you to testify about something. That country is 7 or 8 timezones away.

What exactly is expected in that situation? Is he supposed to travel to France on his own time to give testimony in a case he isn't idicted in? Is he supposed to travel across the country to the US capital... present himself to the French embassy, and then have them fly him out and back... and pay for his expenses?

If he's expected to pay for travel, food, accomodations, etc... it seems a bit ridiculous, since he wasnt' charged with anything when they subpoenaed him. Maybe that's the way international justice works... but I have trouble with the idea a government can force you to spend 5-10 grand just because they want you to answer some questions.

I'm not so much saying this because it's a cyclist... just commenting on a scary legal phenomena in general.

 

[Berzin]

Poor Floyd though--his last chance to race in Europe has just been torpedoed before he even got there. He must be getting pretty sick of living behind the car wash while LA has mansions on two continents.

Floyd decided to spend his life savings on a defense he couldn't win, and then there were the slimeballs that he had in his inner circle that included this computer hacking indictment and the phone call by his then-manager to Lemond.

As a consequence, his marriage falls apart, he's living in a van down by the river and his career as a pro cyclist is over.

He deserves whatever he's gotten, not so much for the doping but for the things I mentioned in the first paragraph.

There are guys who handled their suspensions and kept it moving, getting back into pro cycling without all the headaches Floyd caused himself.

His next book should be entitled "Positively Stupid-How to wreck a marriage and a career in 5 easy steps and why you should feel sorry for me" by "Roid Floyd" Landis.

 

[ravens]

If you lied enough times, then you start to believe it is the truth - not too sure how you make the distiction anymore

Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose. FL is as free as it gets.

Much Much worse than the financial, reputation and professional costs, he has lost his wife and I would assume is less than 100% as engaged in his child's life as he was before. If I knew that he had the goods on me, I'd be scared.

Unlike just about anyone else in this forum, I feel terribly sorry for him. But if he knows ANYTHING then just tell them where every single body is buried and be done with it.

.

 

[Willy_Voet]

A summons was issued for Arnie and Floyd, but they ignored it, so now an arrest warrant has been issued.

If there is anyone here who can comment competently on international law (at least in the Western world), I'd be interested to know what the legal obligations are for someone summoned to court in another country.

Regardless of Landis' guilt, it seems to be a serious financial burden to be summoned abroad without charges. (Was he actually charged?) Unless charged, I don't think you would have any obligation to travel, find lodging, make arrangements with work, etc.

Granted, now he will have a 'free' ticket abroad, but I'm not sure he was under any obligation before to appear in France.

 

[ravens]

If there is anyone here who can comment competently on international law (at least in the Western world), I'd be interested to know what the legal obligations are for someone summoned to court in another country.

Regardless of Landis' guilt, it seems to be a serious financial burden to be summoned abroad without charges. (Was he actually charged?) Unless charged, I don't think you would have any obligation to travel, find lodging, make arrangements with work, etc.

Granted, now he will have a 'free' ticket abroad, but I'm not sure he was under any obligation before to appear in France.

I have no formal legal training other than a 100 level b-law course or 2 in college. Loved it, should stuck with it. Coulda made some $$$.

Compared to the numerous legal transactions for much much more serious transgressions, this would seem to be to be destined to 'fall through the cracks' as far as the US extradition is concerned. But what if he goes to Europe? It would seem much more likely to be acted upon if he were to travel to one of those countries. I don't even know if he would be 'unmolested' if he went to Canada.

 

[filipo]

Check out the comments on the Velonews story. Priceless. Even Carboncrank might have trouble equaling this stupidity:

"I remember when they tried to do this to Lance too...accusing him of hacking into the L'Equipe system or something"

"hmmmmm...in other words, the french judge is mad at floyd for finding out info about his case that the french lab tried to keep secret because it might put them in a negative light or help to prove him innocent. c'est la vie"

"Honesty hate French bashing, BUT.....
seems like the French will leave no "crime" unpunished, unless its the illegal/immoral sales of weapons systems and nuclear technology to a freakin madman in charge of the totalitarian state of Iran by French companies."

"Floyd tried what anyone else would do, find the secret documents that the French try to keep hidden to show that the results they put out on him were flawed. I actually think that it was a creative way to find information that might help you. Go Floyd"

"This should be no surprise, typical French bull. I am not defending Landis, but the track record speaks for itself. They should scrutinize their own teams and riders as much as they do everyone else. The French can't accept the fact they no longer dominated the tour, so it easier to imply that everyone else is guilty of doping, and what ever other crimes they can drum up."

"someone hacked into the labs computer?? makes you wonder how safe any o the results are (positive or neg) and if this was an excuse or plan to discredit another american from yet again winning the tour de FRANCE."

The reason, in a nutshell, why pro cycling and its fans are dead to me. Not quite buried yet, but dead all the same.