Is anyone still posting on CN forums?

[Don't be late Pedro]

Thanks Hitch. I think if I was new to the forum I would be pretty surprised by the reaction here. However, since I am more than used to Hoggy I am obviously not bothered in the slightest.

Also, Hoggy, please explain how I said the clinic (Specifically) was dead? I posted this thread in the PRR forum and it got moved here. Other people have noted a similar thing and some of them you would never class as Sky supporters.

Oh, and Hitch, I am expecting something special for post 20K....

 

[thehog]

Thanks Hitch. I think if I was new to the forum I would be pretty surprised by the reaction here. However, since I am more than used to Hoggy I am obviously not bothered in the slightest.

Also, Hoggy, please explain how I said the clinic (Specifically) was dead? I posted this thread in the PRR forum and it got moved here. Other people have noted a similar thing and some of them you would never class as Sky supporters.

Oh, and Hitch, I am expecting something special for post 20K....

Pedro I hope you hang around and post more in Clinic.

I welcome your input.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

It appears that I did not miss much.

Course not but your imput is appreciated. So you are too missed.

Dont be late perico

 

[thehog]

Yes, but I dont think he explained how he came up with those calculations. So as far as I could tell he made Horner a couple kilos lighter for no apparent reason.

Anyway I could be wrong and this isnt the right thread for this topic.

Delete as applicable. But what is appreant that the postings here are in direct line with Walsh's Sky book.

Clearly not posting independently.

I think the 'Valverde faster at the Vuelta than Froome at the Tour' was the loss of innocence.

Sad for what was once a quality poster free of influence.

 

[Boeing]

Silly me...I thought for sure the Ulrich/Rapha story would bring BroDeal back to his best form on the forum.

 

[BroDeal]

This is one thing that should be done. There are too many sub forums. No one wants to post to a forum that gets one post every week or two. Too many sub forums is a mistake a lot of small sites make. There should be five sub forums: pro cycling, general cycling, doping, feedback, and off topic.

If this place ever gets more traffic then splitting forums can be considered.

 

[Parrulo]

I absolutely agree with you Brodeal.

I have been thinking about that for a while and i took your post as motivation to make a proposal on a new forum rearrangement.

Let's wait to see the rest of the staff's opinion and if the feedback is positive i will create a thread with the staff proposal to the posters and get some feedback from you guys.

 

[pmcg76]

Perhaps it is a reflection of how little I bother with this place anymore that I didn't notice this thread before.

In general I have to agree with the OP and what Mello Velo said early on, a small group of poster's, some who have been banned multiple times for trolling have been allowed to destroy any semblence of balance in this place.

It's amazing that even when there are times I agree with this small band of poster's, I find nothing they post as anything more than pure trolling. It is just the same thing posted over and over.

There simply is no debate and anyone who dare tries to engage is mocked relentlessly for daring to disagree. Why would anyone bother. To me the likes of Libertine, hrotha, hitch and a few others(I know I don't have to name them) are fantastic posters, people who get their points across without the sneering. I could engage with these people all day long whether I agree or disagree, other posters, not so much.

It is very obvious to the entire forum readership what the major problem is but there seem's to be no willingness to change things. I don't really expect my post count to increase much in the near future as long as things remain the same.

 

[Oldman]

This is one thing that should be done. There are too many sub forums. No one wants to post to a forum that gets one post every week or two. Too many sub forums is a mistake a lot of small sites make. There should be five sub forums: pro cycling, general cycling, doping, feedback, and off topic.

If this place ever gets more traffic then splitting forums can be considered.

But it's more fun to argue the same topic five different ways-Frank Day.

 

[BroDeal]

But it's more fun to argue the same topic five different ways-Frank Day.

Under my plan something would have to be done about Day. He should have been banned years ago but the very least they could do is give him an ultimatum to either be banned or restrict his posting to the Gimmick Cranks thread.

 

[skidmark]

There simply is no debate and anyone who dare tries to engage is mocked relentlessly for daring to disagree. Why would anyone bother. To me the likes of Libertine, hrotha, hitch and a few others(I know I don't have to name them) are fantastic posters, people who get their points across without the sneering. I could engage with these people all day long whether I agree or disagree, other posters, not so much.

I agree with this statement. I basically don't bother, if I get in a thread I say one thing (or sometimes two if I'm inspired) and usually don't post or sometimes even read the thread again for days at a time because I know it will make me frustrated. Or like ebandit said in this thread, there are threads created that just seem to be attempts to belittle other posters and make some feel superior. I just don't get it; there is a difference between someone who is naive and someone who is trolling; there is a difference between someone who is being deliberately obtuse and someone who is making a reasonable attempt to construct a valid argument, and yet people in any of these situations get mocked and called down all the same if they disagree with what some especially loud and determined posters want to push as 'the consensus'.

The flipside to this, of course, is effective moderation. Anyone directly connected to the site (now that Susan is retired) doesn't seem to give one single crap about this place, and I think that is the biggest problem, which leads to inconsistency (the most diplomatic word I can find) in moderation, and then all the problems that come with it, including what I've described in the above paragraph. It's frustrating, because this place has been an incredible source of information and conversation for me as a medium-term cycling fan who has really grown into the sport in the last four years. But obviously if the problem is one of attitude from the top, there is really nothing I can do.

I certainly salute the patience of Libertine, Hitch, hrotha, etc. I can't deal with it, I don't know how you guys do.

Anyway, what are some other good boards? I've checked out velorooms, but what else? Brodeal, you have discerning tastes, where do you go?

 

[Ferminal]

As you say, it's difficult for moderators to feel a sense of accomplishment when the owners/managers do not give a single ****. All there is to go on is an affinity to the community, which can at times be a testing relationship. It's probably the same for contributors too. If they don't have a high regard for the community then it will be reflected in their contributions or lack of (or in the quality of their contributions). That is something which can only really be changed from within.

Whether or not current status is "good" or "bad", well there isn't really an answer there.

It's the off-(oops I mean CX and Track)-season so not sure what to expect. The PRR has probably become a lot more sterile in that regard with seemingly less well intentioned trolling. Maybe that's the result of a loss of characters, or things have been pushed in that direction by members and moderators (e.g. being too easily "offended", or restricting new thread creation). The Clinic is itself and has always been the best and worst of everything. Maybe these days there is too much repetition of the same reverse-troll lines, regardless of the subject matter (I am probably as guilty of this as anyone). It probably needs some new blood, literally - a lot of the knowledge base is years old and the whole Lance "revelation" probably entrenched that. Mostly the best bits these days are not actually doping related and discussions which are really just PRR refugees.

It's pretty much dumb luck that a sizeable community actually formed here, given no one in power supported it. The numbers (be they "good" or "bad") give motivation for people who have something to say (be that "good" or "bad"). High readership and post frequency isn't really conducive to "quality".

 

[BroDeal]

It's pretty much dumb luck that a sizeable community actually formed here, given no one in power supported it. The numbers (be they "good" or "bad") give motivation for people who have something to say (be that "good" or "bad"). High readership and post frequency isn't really conducive to "quality".

It was not all dumb luck. I told a large number of people to come here. With CN being the "go to" website for racing results, the forum would represent high ground in social media battle over Armstrong's doping. It needed to be seized by the good guys.

 

[Granville57]

I told a large number of people to come here...

Jesus, Bro. Couldn't you have broadcast on a channel that and polish & flicker didn't receive?

 

[mewmewmew13]

lol Fermi 'dumb luck'

when I found this place I realized how many folks posted here that had the same thoughts about Armstrong that I did…
it was great for a long while ..

then it seemed to plummet steadily while the bickering and inane repetitive comments were flung
and some just getting off on the arguments they could ignite and fan

a lot of real fans were recoiled by that …:[

 

[Red Rick]

Dunno if traffic really decreased, I just assume it's the off season, not much road racing going on

 

[thehog]

It was not all dumb luck. I told a large number of people to come here. With CN being the "go to" website for racing results, the forum would represent high ground in social media battle over Armstrong's doping. It needed to be seized by the good guys.

I attest to do this. I came here due to Bro.

We haven't always agreed or seen eye to eye but he is the reason I'm here.

If I get told to move on to a new forum I will follow.

But this is still the coolest forum in town.

 

[42x16ss]

Dunno if traffic really decreased, I just assume it's the off season, not much road racing going on

My thoughts as well. Once the Aus nats/TDU/San Luis get started then the traffic starts to pick up again. Nothing to be concerned about, it happens every year

 

[Zam_Olyas]

I attest to do this. I came here due to Bro.

We haven't always agreed or seen eye to eye but he is the reason I'm here.

If I get told to move on to a new forum I will follow.

But this is still the coolest forum in town.

Maida vale or kilburn?

 

[thehog]

Maida vale or kilburn?

Monaco. Top dawgs live there.