Is Armstrong about to admit

[thehog]

If Bonnie Ford has it right, they were all served last week. Link in the sticky thread



The lawyer and spokesman have pretty much only been attacking Landis, and the fact that the FDA investigation exists, plus the USADA. I wonder if they'll take up the slack by going after people like Betsy who talk to the press after Novitsky, or vaguely attacking anonymous leaks?

If nothing else, shutting them up about Landis would be a huge blow to their public relations. I wonder if that would mean more or fewer of the penny a word folks here?

Actually your right. Armstrong's Twitter had an entry 3 days ago with "It now all makes sense"....... I think the penny dropped at that point.

 

[Tubeless]

If Bonnie Ford has it right, they were all served last week. Link in the sticky thread

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_Claims_Act

There are unique procedural requirements in False Claims Act cases. For example:

1. a complaint under the False Claims Act must be filed under seal;
2. the complaint must be served on the government but must not be served on the defendant;
3. the complaint must be buttressed by a comprehensive memorandum, not filed in court, but served on the government detailing the factual underpinnings of the complaint.

In other words, Landis filed the case with the government most likely in late May or early June. USPS was given time to determine whether it has indeed been possibly defrauded. After this review period which confirmed Landis has a case, the defendants were then notified last week by the government, and not by Landis' lawyers like is normally the case in civil suits.

The fact that the justice dept is considering joining the case is an extra bonus for Landis. The decision that the government will join in the case has likely already been made, the justice dept is simply floating the "possibility" through press to make sure they will have one final possibility to reverse the call if someone brings up new data they do not already know.

 

[thehog]

If Lance admits to doping or not doesn't do anything for the case. That's a small part of the bigger picture. This case is not about doping. They don't need proof of doping. They have the proof of the purchase of drugs, the trafficking of drugs and everything that goes with setting up such a network.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

If Lance admits to doping or not doesn't do anything for the case. That's a small part of the bigger picture. This case is not about doping. They don't need proof of doping. They have the proof of the purchase of drugs, the trafficking of drugs and everything that goes with setting up such a network.

Hallelujah! Novitsky and the G-men don't care about doping per se... They get REALLY ****ed when it comes to government money going the wrong way. That's their thing, and I can't wait to see how it goes down. It's not like ASO or the UCI saying that they've got some questionable test results, this is now the money trail (along with possible perjury and witness tampering).
Gotta love it!
Burn, baby. Burn!

 

[Polish]

11 Angry Men and 1 Fanboy.

If Lance admits to doping or not doesn't do anything for the case. That's a small part of the bigger picture. This case is not about doping. They don't need proof of doping. They have the proof of the purchase of drugs, the trafficking of drugs and everything that goes with setting up such a network.

The thing is, thehog, this would have to go to a jury trial.

In California.

Where the likes of me and flicker populate the jury pool.

Don't think for one moment that a GUILTY verdict would happen.
Hung Jury at worst, Not Guilty at best.

 

[Martin318is]

The thing is, thehog, this would have to go to a jury trial.

In California.

Where the likes of me and flicker populate the jury pool.

Don't think for one moment that a GUILTY verdict would happen.
Hung Jury at worst, Not Guilty at best.

There we have it ladies and gentlemen - the last straw clutched!

 

[flicker]

An imparcial opinion

The thing is, thehog, this would have to go to a jury trial.

In California.

Where the likes of me and flicker populate the jury pool.

Don't think for one moment that a GUILTY verdict would happen.
Hung Jury at worst, Not Guilty at best.

My associates and I see it this way. Check this out quick.
Attorneys DAs want to make names for themselves. Money is tight in this economy. They jump on the USPS bandwagon. To make their careers.
Prosocution mind you.
Lance hires ex federal prosocuters who are older and more experienced having jumped on many more cases just as the young bullish attorneys are doing now. The older attorneys thusly can use their experience network and call upon other older wiser legal help. Now who would win cases like this? Nothing to do about prejudice against Lance prejudice against Flandis against anyone doping etc.? Decide quickly. Think dream team here! Now add this, in the past have you ever seen Bruyneel or Armstrong as weak individuals who would fold?

 

[flicker]

Lance and company wouldn't be having such a downer of a summer had Bruyneel replied yes to Floyd's "blackmail" email back in Sep 09 --"I'd like to know if there is any possibility of riding with you guys next year. Hope you are well. Thanks. Floyd." Instead Hog turned him away because it would be a bad PR move...

Lance has been completely checkmated by Landis. Like Floyd, the "seven-time Tour de France champion" will soon need to get used to seeing his name permanently preceded by the word "disgraced".

Please read Floyd and Lances books. Get a grip on Floyds motivations after reading his own comments in the books.
Floyd is looking after Floyd now as always. Floyd has not such a good past though....

 

[theswordsman]

Luckily there's a big difference between being part of a jury pool and actually being selected for a jury.

voir-dire
n.
A preliminary examination of prospective jurors or witnesses under oath to determine their competence or suitability.

[Anglo-Norman, to speak the truth : Latin vērus, true + Latin dīcere, to say.]

http://www.answers.com/topic/voir-dire

I'll let people use their own imaginations at where that may lead, but after all the follow-up posts I avoided reading to things I've posted on Contador & Armstrong threads, the idea of even jurors being questioned under oath in a Federal court house and asked if they have existing opinions about Landis or Armstrong makes me smile. Prospective California jurors under oath and scrutiny The investigation

I went back to the Bonnie Ford article for something and spotted this:

From that same Bonnie Ford article:

The lawsuit, filed late last spring, remains sealed as all such lawsuits do, a measure intended to prevent plaintiffs from being intimidated by rich or powerful defendants.

I wonder if that's the real spring that ends in June or the spring classics one?

 

[Tim_sleepless]

The thing is, thehog, this would have to go to a jury trial.

In California.

Where the likes of me and flicker populate the jury pool.

Don't think for one moment that a GUILTY verdict would happen.
Hung Jury at worst, Not Guilty at best.

My associates and I see it this way. Check this out quick.
Attorneys DAs want to make names for themselves. Money is tight in this economy. They jump on the USPS bandwagon. To make their careers.
Prosocution mind you.
Lance hires ex federal prosocuters who are older and more experienced having jumped on many more cases just as the young bullish attorneys are doing now. The older attorneys thusly can use their experience network and call upon other older wiser legal help. Now who would win cases like this? Nothing to do about prejudice against Lance prejudice against Flandis against anyone doping etc.? Decide quickly. Think dream team here! Now add this, in the past have you ever seen Bruyneel or Armstrong as weak individuals who would fold?

What the heck? How come? Breathless short sentence structure in the Armstrong camp. All of a sudden? Or for a while? Last gasp responses? No time to write properly anymore? Californication?

 

[Oldman]

My associates and I see it this way. Check this out quick.
Attorneys DAs want to make names for themselves. Money is tight in this economy. They jump on the USPS bandwagon. To make their careers.
Prosocution mind you.
Lance hires ex federal prosocuters who are older and more experienced having jumped on many more cases just as the young bullish attorneys are doing now. The older attorneys thusly can use their experience network and call upon other older wiser legal help. Now who would win cases like this? Nothing to do about prejudice against Lance prejudice against Flandis against anyone doping etc.? Decide quickly. Think dream team here! Now add this, in the past have you ever seen Bruyneel or Armstrong as weak individuals who would fold?

Grand Juries don't work like a common criminal case and you guys are the one's dreaming. They deal with the prosecution's issues first in the Grand Jury process. If there is additional criminal or civil outfall from the investigation they may be pursued in the appropriate venues where you could have your shot in the jury box. Except no attorney with any brains would allow you there. Keep dreaming.

Also a note about good and bad economic times: attorneys and accountants always have lots of work. Lance and Weisel will have to pay dearly for their defense.

 

[flicker]

Grand Juries don't work like a common criminal case and you guys are the one's dreaming. They deal with the prosecution's issues first in the Grand Jury process. If there is additional criminal or civil outfall from the investigation they may be pursued in the appropriate venues where you could have your shot in the jury box. Except no attorney with any brains would allow you there. Keep dreaming.

Also a note about good and bad economic times: attorneys and accountants always have lots of work. Lance and Weisel will have to pay dearly for their defense.

What I see is for the investigation to come to fruitation,ie, a criminal case the prosecutions best chance is in fraud/taxproblem etc. by tailwind. The doping allegations are just that as I understand, he said she said, which is difficult to prove.
I know y'all want to see Armstrong burn but I seriously do not see Floyd or the prosecuton coming out on top in any doping accusations. Not saying Floyd is right or wrong but is there not a burdon of truth in law?
If there is fraud against a federal entity though and it can be proven and Armstrong knew about the fraud and was proven to be the owner of tailwind, I would think Armstrong should be concerned. I do not have a great deal in the judicial system. Thusly I will not predict the case. I would think the involved parties if they were involved in criminal activity would cover there tracks completly.
As far as Floyd goes I do think he has tried to blackmail everyone he has been able to. Stapleton, ToC, Lance and now the prosocuters. My general rule is do not cave in to blackmailers. It never pays.

 

[Hugh Januss]

What I see is for the investigation to come to fruitation,ie, a criminal case the prosecutions best chance is in fraud/taxproblem etc. by tailwind. The doping allegations are just that as I understand, he said she said, which is difficult to prove.
I know y'all want to see Armstrong burn but I seriously do not see Floyd or the prosecuton coming out on top in any doping accusations. Not saying Floyd is right or wrong but is there not a burdon of truth in law?
If there is fraud against a federal entity though and it can be proven and Armstrong knew about the fraud and was proven to be the owner of tailwind, I would think Armstrong should be concerned. I do not have a great deal in the judicial system. Thusly I will not predict the case. I would think the involved parties if they were involved in criminal activity would cover there tracks completly.
As far as Floyd goes I do think he has tried to blackmail everyone he has been able to. Stapleton, ToC, Lance and now the prosocuters. My general rule is do not cave in to blackmailers. It never pays.

Not trying to be mean or anything but if you are not being paid to post this drivel you are possibly the stupidest person I have ever come into contact with. Now Floyd has tried to blackmail everybody? No wonder he was doing so badly in his races last year, he must have been spending 10 hours a day on the intrawebz.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Not trying to be mean or anything but if you are not being paid to post this drivel you are possibly the stupidest person I have ever come into contact with. Now Floyd has tried to blackmail everybody? No wonder he was doing so badly in his races last year, he must have been spending 10 hours a day on the intrawebz.

Congrats! Honestly, the first post that's ever made me laugh out loud!

 

[flicker]

Not trying to be mean or anything but if you are not being paid to post this drivel you are possibly the stupidest person I have ever come into contact with. Now Floyd has tried to blackmail everybody? No wonder he was doing so badly in his races last year, he must have been spending 10 hours a day on the intrawebz.

Do not ask me if Floyd is a blackmailer, ask Greg LeMond. Why on earth would Greg say I forgive Floyd? Telling, even for a bitter, jelous , Lance hating
3X TdF winner. Telling.
The beauty of this trial is Lance will win and the haters will be exposed. The downside is the attornies will become rich and US cycling will be made to look stupid.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

and US cycling will be made to look stupid.

I think you mean 'corrupt'.

 

[flicker]

I think you mean 'corrupt'.

Corrupt is an American word. In other countries corrupt means business as usual.
Cycling is not an American sport therefore it is corrupt.
Pretty obvious is it not?

 

[alpine_chav]

Corrupt is an American word. In other countries corrupt means business as usual.
Cycling is not an American sport therefore it is corrupt.
Pretty obvious is it not?

Yes... In America it's called lobbying and is completely ok!

 

[adamski101]

Corrupt is an American word. In other countries corrupt means business as usual.
Cycling is not an American sport therefore it is corrupt.
Pretty obvious is it not?

What are you talking about??? Corrupt is not an american word!! And it most certainly does not mean business as usual in other countries. You are talking crap.

Here is the orginis of the word corrupt."The word corrupt (Middle English, from Latin corruptus, past participle of corrumpere, to destroy : com-, intensive pref. and rumpere, to break) when used as an adjective literally means "utterly broken"

So as you can see like most words it derives from latin. I am not wishing to appear pedantic, but do some research before you make your posts.

 

[Bike Opera]

Please read Floyd and Lances books. Get a grip on Floyds motivations after reading his own comments in the books.
Floyd is looking after Floyd now as always. Floyd has not such a good past though....

Appreciate the book recommendations...I already have them in my library filed under fiction. Go, Floyd!

 

[Anonymous]

What I see is for the investigation to come to fruitation,ie, a criminal case the prosecutions best chance is in fraud/taxproblem etc. by tailwind. The doping allegations are just that as I understand, he said she said, which is difficult to prove.
I know y'all want to see Armstrong burn but I seriously do not see Floyd or the prosecuton coming out on top in any doping accusations. Not saying Floyd is right or wrong but is there not a burdon of truth in law?
If there is fraud against a federal entity though and it can be proven and Armstrong knew about the fraud and was proven to be the owner of tailwind, I would think Armstrong should be concerned. I do not have a great deal in the judicial system. Thusly I will not predict the case. I would think the involved parties if they were involved in criminal activity would cover there tracks completly.
As far as Floyd goes I do think he has tried to blackmail everyone he has been able to. Stapleton, ToC, Lance and now the prosocuters. My general rule is do not cave in to blackmailers. It never pays.

It's interesting to witness the evolution of the Lance Fans once offensive and now squarely defensive posture.

Death by one thousand cuts comes mind.

Embrace the truth Flick, for it will set you free... The great American philosopher Floyd Landis said that.

 

[Bicicleta]

I would not get too worked up about a jury trial. Qui Tam actions tend to settle. At least all the Medicare Fraud & Abuse matters that I worked on in the mid 90's did. Massive amounts of paper is produced, then it usually settles with the defendants paying a settlement/fine.

 

[dbrower]

I would not get too worked up about a jury trial. Qui Tam actions tend to settle. At least all the Medicare Fraud & Abuse matters that I worked on in the mid 90's did. Massive amounts of paper is produced, then it usually settles with the defendants paying a settlement/fine.

Since it's a civil matter, it's only about money, so that's no surprise. Settlement lets the party claim "no admission of guilt", and both sides save the expense of a trial. The only complication is that there appear to be a lot of named defendants, and it might not be easy to get them all to agree to a settlement.


-dB

 

[flicker]

I would not get too worked up about a jury trial. Qui Tam actions tend to settle. At least all the Medicare Fraud & Abuse matters that I worked on in the mid 90's did. Massive amounts of paper is produced, then it usually settles with the defendants paying a settlement/fine.

Thank you!

 

[flicker]

What are you talking about??? Corrupt is not an american word!! And it most certainly does not mean business as usual in other countries. You are talking crap.

Here is the orginis of the word corrupt."The word corrupt (Middle English, from Latin corruptus, past participle of corrumpere, to destroy : com-, intensive pref. and rumpere, to break) when used as an adjective literally means "utterly broken"

So as you can see like most words it derives from latin. I am not wishing to appear pedantic, but do some research before you make your posts.

Sorry, that was a Lance/Bushism fibulation on the word corrupt. My point being that there are many other countries where corruption is worse than in the government of the USA. I would imagine with our governing sporting bodies we would be less corrupt than some of the world sporting bodies.
I have given up on watching the Olympics for instance as I do not trust the results anymore.