Is Barry Bonds' Trial The Hold Up?

[veganrob]

The Bonds case should have been a slam dunk runaway victory for the Feds.
Instead it is coming down to the final seconds nail biter.

The Feds will most likely win whew.
Send a message grrrr.

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Disagree. They are trying to prove Bonds "knowingly" took roids. He already admitted he took them, just didn't know what they were. That is pretty hard to prove without lot of eyewitnesses and/or tape. And the feds don't seem to have enough evidence. It will be tough.
Can't they just show how big his f#$%ing melon got? jeez, seems like that would be plenty

 

[Polish]

Disagree. They are trying to prove Bonds "knowingly" took roids. He already admitted he took them, just didn't know what they were. That is pretty hard to prove without lot of eyewitnesses and/or tape. And the feds don't seem to have enough evidence. It will be tough.

Can't they just show how big his f#$%ing melon got? jeez, seems like that would be plenty

Before the trial began, on paper, the Prosecution had a Slam Dunk case.
It will be a major "choke" if Barry is not convicted.

C'mon, no excuses "it was soo hard" after the fact.
Now that the prosecution is over, it would be hard to argue that they did a great job..hard to argue thay did a good job.
If the prosecution "wins", they need to breathe a big sigh of relief.

As far as Barry's big head - his son says they may have confused his cap and his dads. His son wears a bigger cap (big hair) btw. Would have made a great witness for the defense - but no way would Barry let his son get involved with the trial.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...2792750686426.html?mod=WSJ_hps_editorsPicks_2
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[mewmewmew13]

Before the trial began, on paper, the Prosecution had a Slam Dunk case.
It will be a major "choke" if Barry is not convicted.

C'mon, no excuses "it was soo hard" after the fact.
Now that the prosecution is over, it would be hard to argue that they did a great job..hard to argue thay did a good job.
If the prosecution "wins", they need to breathe a big sigh of relief.

As far as Barry's big head - his son says they may have confused his cap and his dads. His son wears a bigger cap (big hair) btw. Would have made a great witness for the defense - but no way would Barry let his son get involved with the trial.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...2792750686426.html?mod=WSJ_hps_editorsPicks_2
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I read that WSJ article this morning. The 'cap got mixed up' explanation may or may not be true....I think it kinda sounds like they were grabbing at straws on that one. Especially as you read on and the poor kid was blindsided (or so he's said) about the fact that Dad had many affairs and girlfriends all over the place. Never knew any of that....

Not to mention that the son was called on by the police for assault/ harrassment or something--can't remember verbatim---after a 'family argument' with Mom at some point.

 

[flicker]

I am not surprised that the US government wastes money on a weak case like the Bond's trial. I suppose they are trying to set a precedent for their upcoming sporting trials. Oh well, it's only money.

 

[Race Radio]

Before the trial began, on paper, the Prosecution had a Slam Dunk case.

The vast majority of journalist an people in this forum has been saying from the beginning that this would be a very hard case for the government to win.

 

[Digger]

SI.com was reporting that a descision hadn't been rendered on the tape and court wasn't in session while a juror was out with health issues. The defense was arguing that the "tape" hadn't been produced for technical analysis, although they have a digital version. If, after arguing that they haven't reviewed the evidence and accept the "tape" for analysis it would then be admissible; wouldn't it?
If this is all old news let me know. I hesitate to rely on SI's news currency.

Yeah it's all been decided - tape can not be used. It's existence is to be acknowledged but it is not to be played. Blow for government. Judge seems to think it would take too long to transcribe and authenticate. Curious decision.

 

[Polish]

The vast majority of journalist an people in this forum has been saying from the beginning that this would be a very hard case for the government to win.

Sure it is hard.
But we are talking about Novitzsky and company.
They laugh at hard.
They eat hard for breakfast.
Then Chuck Norris does the breakfast dishes for them.

Anyway, I still think the Feds will win this case. Its Novitzsky after all.
But THEY made it harder than it should have been...

 

[fatandfast]

Yeah it's all been decided - tape can not be used. It's existence is to be acknowledged but it is not to be played. Blow for government. Judge seems to think it would take too long to transcribe and authenticate. Curious decision.

Maybe I read it wrong but the Bond's legal team acted like the the prosecutors tried to pull out the tape by surprise. Lots of writers on the trial say the tape was probably made for blackmail purposes. Barry's housekeeper/personal packer said she saw him get a needle to the stomach. I believe her before Bonds or Ting.

 

[MacRoadie]

As much as the government has wasted on Bonds, they might as well go full monty and prosecute him.

Well, since you come from Canada, do not work or pay taxes here, and I ausume are not a baseball fan why would you care if they spent a billion zillion dollars going after Barry?
... On my tax dollar.
Big wow, hey I didn't need that money anyway to send my kids to college.

I think this trial is a farce, a distraction, maliciously based, and a waste of our US taxpayers resources.

Being from San Francisco, I agree with Art Spander, the Bonds trial is an incredible waste of money and energy.

At this point the federal case is a waste of money.

Everything so far in the trial I knew before hand. It still seems like a waste of tax dollars to me.

To bad to sad for us tax payers, please note Mr. Novizky.

Trial looks like more of a fiasco than I predicted. Waste of Tax Payer Dollars.

I am not surprised that the US government wastes money on a weak case like the Bond's trial. I suppose they are trying to set a precedent for their upcoming sporting trials. Oh well, it's only money.

Have to hand it to you, you definitely stay on point...

 

[flicker]

Have to hand it to you, you definitely stay on point...

We here could also point out, that if Bonds' beats all the remaining 4 charges, it is a conspiracy by the Giants' organization, to have a feel good outcome, for Saturday's opening game. Baseball is after all, America's pastime.

 

[MacRoadie]

We here could also point out, that if Bonds' beats all the remaining 4 charges, it is a conspiracy by the Giants' organization, to have a feel good outcome, for Saturday's opening game. Baseball is after all, America's pastime.

And THAT is the result when you don't stay on point...

 

[flicker]

And THAT is the result when you don't stay on point...

I guess your point is that the government has not stayed focused on what is important in the trial. i.e. Bonds knowingly used steroids and lied to the government about it.
I joke about the waste of money. Barry is a liar, I am sure. For the government to bring in a mistress(which to me is not a credible witness) is a mistake and a waste of money.
How much money does it take to convict Bonds of being a liar? Is it worth it?
Do we need the details of his personal shrinkage?
None of this relates to sports in my mind, thus to be on point, the whole trial in my mind is a waste of money, yes.

 

[MarkvW]

Lyin' to the Court

I guess your point is that the government has not stayed focused on what is important in the trial. i.e. Bonds knowingly used steroids and lied to the government about it.
I joke about the waste of money. Barry is a liar, I am sure. For the government to bring in a mistress(which to me is not a credible witness) is a mistake and a waste of money.
How much money does it take to convict Bonds of being a liar? Is it worth it?
Do we need the details of his personal shrinkage?
None of this relates to sports in my mind, thus to be on point, the whole trial in my mind is a waste of money, yes.

I see your point. Rich sports figures who are expensive to prosecute should get a free pass for perjury. Gov't resources are better spent going after poor people who can be prosecuted more cheaply? Or is it that we should tolerate lying before our grand juries?

Or maybe the feds should have let BALCO slide?

 

[mewmewmew13]

I am not surprised that the US government wastes money on a weak case like the Bond's trial. I suppose they are trying to set a precedent for their upcoming sporting trials. Oh well, it's only money.

Justice is always worth the price...

 

[flicker]

I see your point. Rich sports figures who are expensive to prosecute should get a free pass for perjury. Gov't resources are better spent going after poor people who can be prosecuted more cheaply? Or is it that we should tolerate lying before our grand juries?

Or maybe the feds should have let BALCO slide?

My point is that if the US Government wants to persue criminal cases they need a good case with credible witnesses. Why do the federal government take a knife to a gunfight? Waste of money and time.
On the other hand 99 percent of the time poor people are going to get the short end of the stick in a criminal case. The poor, with their cheap suit lawyers, and public defenders.

 

[MacRoadie]

I guess your point is that the government has not stayed focused on what is important in the trial.

No, that wasn't my point. But you know that.

 

[fatandfast]

Justice is always worth the price...

It's a court of law. If you like justice or are looking for any part of it stay out of the court system. read all these posts and watch how things are unfolding 10 years later people still are not prepared. Almost a decade and our government workers forgot to get their homework checked(audio tape). If these guys were cutting your hair, washing your car.or cutting your lawn you would ask for corrections before payment. They better get Bonds for something because they are no shock and awing anybody with what they have after 10 years. When this started I expected to see Bonds cry more than once, instead he is smiling, elbowing his esq as he talks of hard-on troubles.

Nobody from the public is on Barry's side. Complete scum. I hope Novitzky thinks through going after King Pharmstrong with my tax cash

 

[flicker]

No, that wasn't my point. But you know that.

I am just telling you what I see. I do not really get your point so I have no arguement with you.

How many times did I say waste of money.
I saw an arrogant cheater walk into the court, a philanderer, liar, drug cheat, wealthy, record holder. I see the same guy(Barry walking out smiling) What is in it for us, the people, sports fans, kids, taxpayers, zilch nada nunca nien.
If they threw Barry in the slammer for 24 months, would the drug cheats quit.
Just another best selling book for the prosecuters. Also a warm fuzzie feeling for the sports fans.

 

[Polish]

Justice is always worth the price...

Yes, but overpaying for shoddy service?

Nobody from the public is on Barry's side. Complete scum. I hope Novitzky thinks through going after King Pharmstrong with my tax cash

Exactly.

If the prosecution wins, and I think they will, it will be because the jury/people do not like Barry Bonds.
Not because the prosecution did a great job.

Whole different ball game/race with Lance.

And I think I feel better about Barry now that the trial is over.
Witch Hunt effect maybe

 

[fatandfast]

Yes, but overpaying for shoddy service?



Exactly.

If the prosecution wins, and I think they will, it will be because the jury/people do not like Barry Bonds.
Not because the prosecution did a great job.

Whole different ball game/race with Lance.

And I think I feel better about Barry now that the trial is over.
Witch Hunt effect maybe

Polish lets be clear. There is a tape, a technicality may keep it from being used. I have very little faith in long drawn out government logic. If this was a cop catching Bonds in the street doing something I would be much more supportive. Regular cops have good instincts about crime and criminals. The white collar bunch is failing us at every turn. The FDA, IRS,UPS,FDS,SEC nobody can catch anybody!! We saw a trial with Goldman execs..bunch of backslapping happy hands and nobody is in jail. Worse still they just got billions in bonuses while the cops we pays gave the ok. I have have no Lance man sauce on my lips now and no plans in the future. If he did something wrong I want him to fry. If he walks on some spilled technical detail the prosecutor should be publicly humiliated. The FDA hasn't even put anybody in jail for the 6 pound robo-chicken breasts in the market and they are after a home run fathead instead!!

Barry's trail is far from over, after hearing how he has treated every woman in his life he should have to register as a sex offender. If he grins one more time during what should be the trial for his life they should arrest him for unpaid traffic violations one at a time until he is 80. Being happy about our legal stooges at every level is troubling. Ten years of work and they can't get it right.
Bonds needs jail just because of himself.

 

[fatandfast]

Yes, but overpaying for shoddy service?



Exactly.

If the prosecution wins, and I think they will, it will be because the jury/people do not like Barry Bonds.
Not because the prosecution did a great job.

Whole different ball game/race with Lance.

And I think I feel better about Barry now that the trial is over.
Witch Hunt effect maybe

Polish lets be clear. There is a tape, a technicality may keep it from being used. I have very little faith in long drawn out government logic. If this was a cop catching Bonds in the street doing something I would be much more supportive. Regular cops have good instincts about crime and criminals. The white collar bunch is failing us at every turn. The FDA, IRS,UPS,FDS,SEC nobody can catch anybody!! We saw a trial with Goldman execs..bunch of backslapping happy hands and nobody is in jail. Worse still they just got billions in bonuses while the cops we pays gave the ok. I have have no Lance man sauce on my lips now and no plans in the future. If he did something wrong I want him to fry. If he walks on some spilled technical detail the prosecutor should be publicly humiliated. The FDA hasn't even put anybody in jail for the 6 pound robo-chicken breasts in the market and they are after a home run fathead instead!!

Barry's trail is far from over, after hearing how he has treated every woman in his life he should have to register as a sex offender. If he grins one more time during what should be the trial for his life they should arrest him for unpaid traffic violations one at a time until he is 80. Being happy about our legal stooges at every level is troubling. Ten years of work and they can't get it right.
Bonds needs jail just because of himself.

 

[Merckx index]

Barry's trail is far from over, after hearing how he has treated every woman in his life he should have to register as a sex offender. If he grins one more time during what should be the trial for his life they should arrest him for unpaid traffic violations one at a time until he is 80. Being happy about our legal stooges at every level is troubling. Ten years of work and they can't get it right.
Bonds needs jail just because of himself.

Bonds is a philanderer and an adulterer, though I have not followed the trial closely, I don’t believe he has been accused of rape or any other charge that would classify him as a sex offender. I’m also not aware that smiling during one’s trial, which people frequently do to buck up their sagging spirits, is cause for a guilty decision . To say that someone should go to jail just “because of himself” strikes me as the worst kind of prejudice.

At the end of the day, he did nothing that hundreds of other MLB players didn’t do who aren’t being charged with anything. Except that he, not they, was called before Congress. They are going after Bonds because he was a huge star and because he has an easily dislikeable personality. Some people really get off on seeing someone they personally don’t like getting harassed, and have no problem ignoring the fact that all those who did the same thing get off scot free.

 

[Oldman]

Bonds is a philanderer and an adulterer, though I have not followed the trial closely, I don’t believe he has been accused of rape or any other charge that would classify him as a sex offender. I’m also not aware that smiling during one’s trial, which people frequently do to buck up their sagging spirits, is cause for a guilty decision . To say that someone should go to jail just “because of himself” strikes me as the worst kind of prejudice.

At the end of the day, he did nothing that hundreds of other MLB players didn’t do who aren’t being charged with anything. Except that he, not they, was called before Congress. They are going after Bonds because he was a huge star and because he has an easily dislikeable personality. Some people really get off on seeing someone they personally don’t like getting harassed, and have no problem ignoring the fact that all those who did the same thing get off scot free.

Wait, I must be misinformed. Isn't he being prosecuted for lying to Congress?

 

[Polish]

Polish lets be clear. There is a tape, a technicality may keep it from being used..

What was the technicality?
I was not paying close enough attention...

I do remember reading on a twitter or ESPN update:

"Mostly, I could hear Mr. Hoskins. I could hear very little of what Dr. Ting said," U.S. District Judge Susan Illston told lawyers late Monday. She added that from what she could discern, the new recording was "almost entirely inadmissible or irrelevant."

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=6289428

 

[MarkvW]

Basis

Wait, I must be misinformed. Isn't he being prosecuted for lying to Congress?

Nope. He's being prosecuted for lying to the grand jury that was investigating the BALCO drug ring. Feds argue he was a big client of Victor Conte, the principal of BALCO.