Is Barry Bonds' Trial The Hold Up?

[Polish]

... and Polish, what are you saying? That Bonds' high paid lawyers were outsmarted by some anonymous forum poster?


Dave.

I'm saying this is a Perjury Trial and at least one of the Government Witness has commited perjury in the Government's case.

What kind of example does that set?

Good thing this was not a trial for murder...

 

[D-Queued]

I'm saying this is a Perjury Trial and at least one of the Government Witness has commited perjury in the Government's case.

What kind of example does that set?

Good thing this was not a trial for murder...

...and sealed the deal for the prosecution in the process!

Prosecution gets a twofer.

Or, perhaps, you cannot see the link between doping and a culture of lies with your Livestrong rose-colored shades.

Dave.

 

[MarkvW]

reality

I'm saying this is a Perjury Trial and at least one of the Government Witness has commited perjury in the Government's case.

What kind of example does that set?

Good thing this was not a trial for murder...

The prosecutor can't knowingly put on perjured testimony. I received the strong flavor that the feds were surprised by Ting's testimony.

But witnesses do sometimes lie, and a prosecutor does not always have the divine gift of sorting out and presenting only pure truth. You take your witnesses as you find them. If I have two eyewitnesses and one must be lying, better to put them both on and let the jury sort it out.

They had to call Ting. He, according to Bonds, is the ONLY person who ever injected him. He testified to a lot of good truthful stuff.

 

[Digger]

The prosecutor can't knowingly put on perjured testimony. I received the strong flavor that the feds were surprised by Ting's testimony.

But witnesses do sometimes lie, and a prosecutor does not always have the divine gift of sorting out and presenting only pure truth. You take your witnesses as you find them. If I have two eyewitnesses and one must be lying, better to put them both on and let the jury sort it out.

They had to call Ting. He, according to Bonds, is the ONLY person who ever injected him. He testified to a lot of good truthful stuff.

which contradicted earlier GJ testimony from him.

 

[MarkvW]

maybe no problem

Feds may recall Ting. Ting will have the opportunity to revise his testimony in light of the tape recording.

This stuff is GREAT!

These are the people Barry surrounded himself with!

 

[MarkvW]

Sure

which contradicted earlier GJ testimony from him.

My point is that there was value in his testimony independent of its suspect parts.

 

[Digger]

Key moment in the trial. Recess but arguments ongoing about the admissibility of the tape. Really could make or break things.

 

[flicker]

Trial looks like more of a fiasco than I predicted. Waste of Tax Payer Dollars.

 

[MacRoadie]

Trial looks like more of a fiasco than I predicted. Waste of Tax Payer Dollars.

I'm getting my money's worth out of it. Every penny...

 

[scribe]

What is the assessment here?

My guess is Bonds has a more favorable situation than Armstrong does. If they get Bonds, Armstrong is toastie.

 

[Oldman]

Trial looks like more of a fiasco than I predicted. Waste of Tax Payer Dollars.

I've paid much more than the standard share. Let the cameras roll; I want my money's worth.

 

[flicker]

I've paid much more than the standard share. Let the cameras roll; I want my money's worth.

Well as long as it goes count me in to coach. Cheap thrills!

 

[Race Radio]

What is the assessment here?

My guess is Bonds has a more favorable situation than Armstrong does. If they get Bonds, Armstrong is toastie.

Not even close.

The consensus of those close to the case is the Bonds case is by far the hardest, Clemens is easier....Armstrong a slam dunk.

 

[MarkvW]

Slam Dunk?

Not even close.

The consensus of those close to the case is the Bonds case is by far the hardest, Clemens is easier....Armstrong a slam dunk.

If it was a slam dunk it would already be charged.

 

[Race Radio]

If it was a slam dunk it would already be charged.

Why?

Do you have any quantitative figures that link the rapid filing of charges with the strength of a case or are you just assuming?

The case continues to expand, why rush?

 

[flicker]

Popeye Doyle

I wonder if Jeff Novizky's experiences in Lyon were anything like Popeye Doyles in Paris?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWjsD7wFYjo

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

If it was a slam dunk it would already be charged.

You don't know he hasn't been.

Everyone knows the statute of limitations was looming on everything USPS-related. But sealed indictments stop the statutes running, and the public wouldn't know.

 

[veganrob]

Bonds case is much more difficult to prosecute because of the charges. Perjury. Armstrong case is different. His case would seem to be a slam dunk not only because of the charges but I believe everybody is turning on him. He has no friends to protect him like Bonds does with Anderson.

 

[Race Radio]

You don't know he hasn't been.

Everyone knows the statute of limitations was looming on everything USPS-related. But sealed indictments stop the statutes running, and the public wouldn't know.

SOL is not as big a deal as everyone thinks. If there was an ongoing effort to cover up their actions, which there was, then SOL can be extended. Also in some cases SOL does not start until the discovery of the crime. For the vast majority of crimes that are being discussed it plays no role.

Nobody is going to sit in a jail cell for 18 months for Armstrong. There are no Greg Andersons in his case.....in fact the direct opposite, they cannot turn on him fast enough.

 

[jimmypop]

Nobody is going to sit in a jail cell for 18 months for Armstrong. There are no Greg Andersons in his case.....in fact the direct opposite, they cannot turn on him fast enough.

No one will sit in jail for him, but some members of this forum will certainly jump at an opportunity to sit in a cell with him for the duration.

 

[flicker]

Bonds case is much more difficult to prosecute because of the charges. Perjury. Armstrong case is different. His case would seem to be a slam dunk not only because of the charges but I believe everybody is turning on him. He has no friends to protect him like Bonds does with Anderson.

This bogus charge against Armstrong will be dropped.

 

[Oldman]

This bogus charge against Armstrong will be dropped.

Your efforts are getting half-hearted, my friend. I know it's getting hard to come up with new material but we rely heavily on your efforts and there are still people that actually believe you and Polecat like Armstrong.

 

[fatandfast]

SOL is not as big a deal as everyone thinks. If there was an ongoing effort to cover up their actions, which there was, then SOL can be extended. Also in some cases SOL does not start until the discovery of the crime. For the vast majority of crimes that are being discussed it plays no role.

Nobody is going to sit in a jail cell for 18 months for Armstrong. There are no Greg Andersons in his case.....in fact the direct opposite, they cannot turn on him fast enough.

One thing that has come up during the trial is that the IRS/FDA had over a dozen people that they questioned about Anderson helping them get and use drugs. 4 ballplayers so far have got on the stand and said that Anderson sold them drugs or injected them with them. Couple of people have said that they saw him with needles in different states of use. Anderson is no hero, he is not doing Bonds any favors by staying in jail, he is simply trying to stop the bleeding.
There have been no names mentioned as the needle man in Lance's case. Even Landis didn't say, this guy shot us all up. He has painted Armstrong as the ring leader/facilitator but never said he stuck it in my bhut. Ferrari has said he is a doctor and provided "medical" care for lots of top cyclists. Anderson is no doctor and has chosen jail because freedom for him may be worse

 

[Oldman]

One thing that has come up during the trial is that the IRS/FDA had over a dozen people that they questioned about Anderson helping them get and use drugs. 4 ballplayers so far have got on the stand and said that Anderson sold them drugs or injected them with them. Couple of people have said that they saw him with needles in different states of use. Anderson is no hero, he is not doing Bonds any favors by staying in jail, he is simply trying to stop the bleeding.
There have been no names mentioned as the needle man in Lance's case. Even Landis didn't say, this guy shot us all up. He has painted Armstrong as the ring leader/facilitator but never said he stuck it in my bhut. Ferrari has said he is a doctor and provided "medical" care for lots of top cyclists. Anderson is no doctor and has chosen jail because freedom for him may be worse

Armstrong's potential PED use is way down the list of problems for him. Way down.

 

[MarkvW]

SOL is not as big a deal as everyone thinks. If there was an ongoing effort to cover up their actions, which there was, then SOL can be extended. Also in some cases SOL does not start until the discovery of the crime. For the vast majority of crimes that are being discussed it plays no role.

Nobody is going to sit in a jail cell for 18 months for Armstrong. There are no Greg Andersons in his case.....in fact the direct opposite, they cannot turn on him fast enough.

You can extend the civil SOL for fraudulent concealment, but the criminal law does not permit that.