Is Barry Bonds' Trial The Hold Up?

[Digger]

pretty cool about the IRS being the biggest part of the raid teams on Balco and Quest labs. Anderson is sounding pretty sleazy, down and super dirty drug dealer. Giving guys injections in parking lots. I didn't know the standard but the best area for your HGH shot is in the stomach. The Giambi brothers say they didn't need Anderson, they gave themselves the shots. I ma not going to cheat on my taxes after reading about Novitzky's pitbull style

Anderson just did his job - or at least what he was paid to do. Anderson even advised Bonds to taper his doses, but Bonds took it on himself to go way over the required dosage. And that's seperate from the injection sites which Anderson was worried about.

 

[popolo]

c'mon

I see your point, however in our country, we still need to believe that our people will obey the laws, otherwise, there would be anarchy.
It seems to me, if a high profile guy like Bonds was slapped with a restraining order, he would be advised by his attorneys to respect it.
My point is, if Kimberly felt threatened, bullied or controlled by Bonds, it would seem logical to seek outside help.

OJ 'High Jumper' Simpson is an extreme case of extreme violence.

Extreme case? High profile but not rare.

The fact is basically Everyone knows maniacs violate restraining orders all the time.

Jeez, threatening to cut someone's head off and cut their breast implants out, this coming from a roid rager, another not uncommon phenomenon.

I'm sure Bell wanted to protect herself in a real way, not in the theoretical way a restraining order provides.

Damn, why am I stating the obvious with you?

Figure it out.

 

[flicker]

Extreme case? High profile but not rare.

The fact is basically Everyone knows maniacs violate restraining orders all the time.

Jeez, threatening to cut someone's head off and cut their breast implants out, this coming from a roid rager, another not uncommon phenomenon.

I'm sure Bell wanted to protect herself in a real way, not in the theoretical way a restraining order provides.

Damn, why am I stating the obvious with you?

Figure it out.

The victims in this video are associates of associates.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31112998/ns/dateline_nbc-crime_reports/

If you are threatened as Kimberly says she was, why did she not call the cops?

 

[mewmewmew13]

Just another opinion, but for some of you males there is no way you will ever know what it feels like or the position that you are put in when you are intimidated, harassed or threatened by a more powerful person....especially one that is a bully and may control all the resources and be physically aggressive.

Yes, it would seem 'logical' to seek help from the authorities, but sometimes that just isn't a simple reality. We see this every day and it sure doesn't stop the stalking, harassment and physical crimes against women that take place by the thousands every year. Fear is real and puts a damper on making 'logical' decisions.

SA, I also resent your snarky comments about 'helpless victims' and coming from you---a self-professed 'foreign gentleman trying to evolve as a poster'---they come across as insulting and provocative...please save your crass posts for a harmless thread.

..Not saying that I think this woman is innocent, but there are reasons for someone not being able to speak out sometimes....

 

[flicker]

Just another opinion, but for some of you males there is no way you will ever know what it feels like or the position that you are put in when you are intimidated, harassed or threatened by a more powerful person....especially one that is a bully and may control all the resources and be physically aggressive.

Yes, it would seem 'logical' to seek help from the authorities, but sometimes that just isn't a simple reality. We see this every day and it sure doesn't stop the stalking, harassment and physical crimes against women that take place by the thousands every year. Fear is real and puts a damper on making 'logical' decisions.

SA, I also resent your snarky comments about 'helpless victims' and coming from you---a self-professed 'foreign gentleman trying to evolve as a poster'---they come across as insulting and provocative...please save your crass posts for a harmless thread.

..Not saying that I think this woman is innocent, but there are reasons for someone not being able to speak out sometimes....

Bonds is all those things you said in paragraph 1. I think that the prosecution and Kimberly are pointing that out. I think you are dead on in paragraphs 1+2.
Really, there is no place in this world for violence and bullying.

 

[fatandfast]

Anderson just did his job - or at least what he was paid to do. Anderson even advised Bonds to taper his doses, but Bonds took it on himself to go way over the required dosage. And that's seperate from the injection sites which Anderson was worried about.

if you read the early parts of this whole thing it was Anderson that got Bonds so jammed up. The baseball people didn't like his "training techniques".

One guy testified yesterday that after some discussion Anderson and a couple others were banned from training and locker rooms. He also said that before any decision was made the talked to Anderson and examined his resume. The staff was unimpressed and without saying so directly they knew Anderson was Barry's wet nurse.
As seen with Bond's unemployment MLB is a very small group, a few phone calls and you are blackballed. All old rich guys with a common purpose. Once Anderson blew up his spot with Bonds he went downhill like a rocket. I was surprised that Jason Giambi played 17 years in the big leagues,,thought it was shorter.

Marvin Bernard was really sad never made it to the show, instead played 7 years, 2 Mexico,2 Venezuela,2 Nicarauga, 1 in the DR. He said to save cash and trouble he bought some animal steriods in Mexico and showed them to Anderson told him that he could use them but there was better stuff out there.

Anderson probably got advice about time served, he got a head start on jail

 

[flicker]

http://www.mercurynews.com/mark-purdy/ci_17726572

 

[D-Queued]

witnesses singing like canaries... foreshadow?

Think this will be a foreshadow of the Lance-a-thon?

Granted immunity, they are spilling their guts. And what's striking about it is how matter-of-factly they are speaking about the packages they'd get in the mail or about giving themselves injections in the ****.

He's going to pay for that taunting of Novitzky.

'...whatever you say or do may end up being used against you in a court of law...'

Dave.

 

[popolo]

Just another opinion, but for some of you males there is no way you will ever know what it feels like or the position that you are put in when you are intimidated, harassed or threatened by a more powerful person....especially one that is a bully and may control all the resources and be physically aggressive.

Yes, it would seem 'logical' to seek help from the authorities, but sometimes that just isn't a simple reality. We see this every day and it sure doesn't stop the stalking, harassment and physical crimes against women that take place by the thousands every year. Fear is real and puts a damper on making 'logical' decisions.

SA, I also resent your snarky comments about 'helpless victims' and coming from you---a self-professed 'foreign gentleman trying to evolve as a poster'---they come across as insulting and provocative...please save your crass posts for a harmless thread.

..Not saying that I think this woman is innocent, but there are reasons for someone not being able to speak out sometimes....

I do think it's the defenses prerogative and obligation to challenge witnesses but the odd thing is they also try to get the jury to see it as a "chain" of evidence, where if one link is broken, the whole prosecution is bad.

As one famous prosecutor put it, the evidence is more like a rope and each piece of evidence is a strand that gets added to that rope.

Bell's testimony is one strand in that rope. Should Bonds go to jail on her say so? Obviously not. But her testimony in conjunction with all of the other witnesses is damning.

BTW, very few people outside of some children are completely innocent. That's an unachievable standard.

 

[patricknd]

i do think it's the defenses prerogative and obligation to challenge witnesses but the odd thing is they also try to get the jury to see it as a "chain" of evidence, where if one link is broken, the whole prosecution is bad.

As one famous prosecutor put it, the evidence is more like a rope and each piece of evidence is a strand that gets added to that rope.

Bell's testimony is one strand in that rope. Should bonds go to jail on her say so? Obviously not. But her testimony in conjunction with all of the other witnesses is damning.

Btw, very few people outside of some children are completely innocent. That's an unachievable standard.

bugliosi right?

 

[Oldman]

if you read the early parts of this whole thing it was Anderson that got Bonds so jammed up. The baseball people didn't like his "training techniques".

One guy testified yesterday that after some discussion Anderson and a couple others were banned from training and locker rooms. He also said that before any decision was made the talked to Anderson and examined his resume. The staff was unimpressed and without saying so directly they knew Anderson was Barry's wet nurse.
As seen with Bond's unemployment MLB is a very small group, a few phone calls and you are blackballed. All old rich guys with a common purpose. Once Anderson blew up his spot with Bonds he went downhill like a rocket. I was surprised that Jason Giambi played 17 years in the big leagues,,thought it was shorter.

Marvin Bernard was really sad never made it to the show, instead played 7 years, 2 Mexico,2 Venezuela,2 Nicarauga, 1 in the DR. He said to save cash and trouble he bought some animal steriods in Mexico and showed them to Anderson told him that he could use them but there was better stuff out there.

Anderson probably got advice about time served, he got a head start on jail

And those old rich guys didn't start to wise up until Novitsky was sent in due to the bad press MLB received. Congress had to act because this sport is pretty much a protected monopoly.

The information out of this is what will haunt the minor-league sport of American cycling. MLB took the step to shake out the entire league in a public venue and they are not employing the bad actors. Anyone that thinks pleading the fifth amendment will help their cause in the USPS case should pay close attention. Were they after Bonds? No. After Clemens? No. They were after Balco for manufacturing and distributing a new drug; now out of circulation. Bonds and Clemens lying about their use is a separate issue just as Lance's alleged use will be. It will be the wedge issue to get to drug sources, particularly the counterfeit and patent-infringing producers.

 

[MarkvW]

Implications

Think this will be a foreshadow of the Lance-a-thon?

Granted immunity, they are spilling their guts. And what's striking about it is how matter-of-factly they are speaking about the packages they'd get in the mail or about giving themselves injections in the ****.

He's going to pay for that taunting of Novitzky.

'...whatever you say or do may end up being used against you in a court of law...'

Dave.

As big as Bonds is perceived to be, he was never a target until he lied under a grant of immunity. Now, you see a federal case laid out. The evidence they are presenting is overwhelming. If Armstrong is charged, this is the kind of show that he will have to face. For any normal person, this kind of thing naturally shrinks the scrotum.

If the feds are making a dope dealing case, they'd try to use Lance as a witness, like like they tried to use Barry in the Balco case. When it comes to doping, Lance is a customer and customers usually get immunity to testify against their dealers.


The Barry Bonds experience is probably not much of a predictor of any other conceivable charge Lance might face.

 

[D-Queued]

...
Really, there is no place in this world for violence and bullying.

And the Prosecutions (unspoken) summary:

With his tailored doping, Bonds thought that there was no pitcher, drug test or woman that he could not beat...

Just saying.

Dave.

 

[flicker]

And the Prosecutions (unspoken) summary:

With his tailored doping, Bonds thought that there was no pitcher, drug test or woman that he could not beat...

Just saying.

Dave.

Coverage in todays local paper the 'Monterey Herald; is at top of page 3, top third of the page. All the juicing details by the Giambi Bros.
Their steroid usage was/is outrageous. They will walk away with millions in their retirement, and ultimatley will enjoy the respect of millions of fans. I am afraid that the Bonds trial might teach kids how worth it is to use steroids, Bond's a millionaire, thumbing his nose at everyone, cavorting with a playmate, limo to and from court. Ah, professional sports.
During the Super Bowl one little 60 second ad telling kids the dangers of steroid use. I do not see good examples in this trial.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Barry will walk free no doubt.


YEAH YEAH it is a troll post!

Seriously the only thing that this trial has in common will be the investigation team. LA will go down for much more in my opinion.

AND I am just sayyyyying.... it will be some sad days for USA cycling. We asked for it. So we reap the whirlwind.

 

[BroDeal]

The biggest fear for a narcissist like Armstrong has to be major media like ESPN writing stuff about him like this:

"Just a few days into the trial and baseball's home run king already has been made to look like a selfish, violent, small-balled, sexually incompetent philanderer."

http://espn.go.com/espnw/blog/_/post/6274616/barry-bonds-trial-how-em-barry-ssing

 

[Granville57]

And what's striking about it is how matter-of-factly they are speaking about the packages they'd get in the mail or about giving themselves injections in the ****.

So, is the author of this article, Mark Purdy, new to this game? That "matter-of-factness" is exactly what we see over and over again from those busted athletes who finally drop the facade. It's what makes it all the more believable to those who have been paying attention.

Yes, doping in sports really is so widespread that the acts of participating are so routine, for those that do, that they simply become part of daily life; no more exceptional than having their haircut. People like Bonds rely on people like Purdy—and, they hope, judges and jurors—to be so surprised by the details that they'll side with the defense due to shocking disbelief of the accusations. (That's certainly what the Lance Camp will be relying on.)

I think this last bit fell a bit short in terms of how the author hoped it would resonate with the reader:

In fact, it sounds as if back then, Major League Baseball was a giant rave, with partyers swallowing whatever drugs were being handed out in the parking lot before the performance. That's what you were watching on the field. That's what you were cheering.
Do you feel better, now that you know?
Didn't think so.

Uhhh, yeah. I'm just fine, Mark. Thanks for the concern however.
This "revelation" seems to be at least ten years outdated.
Is there really anyone out there who follows pro sports, and baseball in particular, that would be taken aback by these details?

I can draw the picture just fine by myself. If the athletes want to add some color in between the lines, that's even better. But does any of it change how I feel?
In 2011?
Not so much.

 

[Granville57]

The biggest fear for a narcissist like Armstrong has to be major media like ESPN writing stuff about him like this...http://espn.go.com/espnw/blog/_/post/6274616/barry-bonds-trial-how-em-barry-ssing

The final line is conveniently interchangeable as well.

When all is said and done, even if [insert name here] walks out of the courtroom an innocent man, in many ways he still will have lost.

 

[fatandfast]

And those old rich guys didn't start to wise up until Novitsky was sent in due to the bad press MLB received. Congress had to act because this sport is pretty much a protected monopoly.

The information out of this is what will haunt the minor-league sport of American cycling. MLB took the step to shake out the entire league in a public venue and they are not employing the bad actors. Anyone that thinks pleading the fifth amendment will help their cause in the USPS case should pay close attention. Were they after Bonds? No. After Clemens? No. They were after Balco for manufacturing and distributing a new drug; now out of circulation. Bonds and Clemens lying about their use is a separate issue just as Lance's alleged use will be. It will be the wedge issue to get to drug sources, particularly the counterfeit and patent-infringing producers.

Agree twice over and granvilles post will also prove true. If the Novitzky starting point is as far back as Lance still married to Kristen he is going to hate the history lesson. Barry may walk free, but the way he treated everybody men and women is going to make him look like more flea poop. I am not sure if Bond's lawsuit about the MLB owners colluding went any further but after this he should accept the pension and investment returns as all the money he will ever make from MLB.
I also look at the stacks of cash he has laying around. Chose to tell Bell sorry about your sinking ship when her job and house were both upside down. He could have paid off her house for the coin he spends shaving his head..bloated punk.

 

[flicker]

Everything so far in the trial I knew before hand. It still seems like a waste of tax dollars to me. Novitzky seems like an awesome investigator/tax man.

So Jeff where is our (financial)return on listening to this crap in court.

I already knew Barry Bonds was a thug.

 

[flicker]

Any bets after the Bonds, Clemons and Armstrong trials,
Jeff
'Popeye Doyle'
Novitzky
will write a tell all bestseller book about his' magnificient three trials' and then retire, building a Mac Mansion next to his pal Mark 'Polevaulter' Fuhrman in Cour de Lane Idaho?

 

[Oldman]

Coverage in todays local paper the 'Monterey Herald; is at top of page 3, top third of the page. All the juicing details by the Giambi Bros.
Their steroid usage was/is outrageous. They will walk away with millions in their retirement, and ultimatley will enjoy the respect of millions of fans. I am afraid that the Bonds trial might teach kids how worth it is to use steroids, Bond's a millionaire, thumbing his nose at everyone, cavorting with a playmate, limo to and from court. Ah, professional sports.
During the Super Bowl one little 60 second ad telling kids the dangers of steroid use. I do not see good examples in this trial.

So, should it not happen because of the "waste of taxpayer dollars"? Kids and hardened pros dream of a legacy that outlasts their performance days; it's not always only about the payout. Seeing an asterisk alongside all of these performances will have some impact. Again, though; they weren't after Bonds alone; they were after the source. If Bonds had convinced them he told the truth we wouldn't be having this discussion. Perjury before a grand jury has never been an easy charge to escape.

 

[Polish]

So, should it not happen because of the "waste of taxpayer dollars"? Kids and hardened pros dream of a legacy that outlasts their performance days; it's not always only about the payout. Seeing an asterisk alongside all of these performances will have some impact. Again, though; they weren't after Bonds alone; they were after the source. If Bonds had convinced them he told the truth we wouldn't be having this discussion. Perjury before a grand jury has never been an easy charge to escape.

It seems the Prosecution is being hammered today regarding how THEY handled the Grand Jury process.

Biggest danger to Lance may be watching this case unfold and becoming over confident.
That would not be wise.

BTW, there are no asterisks that I can find on any lists of Home Run Leaders.
Do you think asterisks will be added if Barry is found guilty of perjury?

Personally I think Bonds will make the Hall of Fame someday and there will be no asterisks on any official listings. And Bonds is as big a turd as Lance is.
Some would argue Barry is a bigger turd. Much much bigger. Twice as big.

 

[D-Queued]

It seems the Prosecution is being hammered today regarding how THEY handled the Grand Jury process.

Biggest danger to Lance may be watching this case unfold and becoming over confident.
That would not be wise.

BTW, there are no asterisks that I can find on any lists of Home Run Leaders.
Do you think asterisks will be added if Barry is found guilty of perjury?

Personally I think Bonds will make the Hall of Fame someday and there will be no asterisks on any official listings. And Bonds is as big a turd as Lance is.
Some would argue Barry is a bigger turd. Much much bigger. Twice as big.

Barry will be inducted right after the Pete Rose celebration. Maybe the two will go in together.

Dave.

 

[Race Radio]

BTW, there are no asterisks that I can find

Guess you missed the one on his Home Run Record ball.

Barry Bonds ball goes to the Hall, asterisk and all