Is Barry Bonds' Trial The Hold Up?

[MarkvW]

When the charges are filed I promise to accept your apology with grace and not rub your nose in it

Perhaps. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. And you're quoting a forum poster's GUESS????

 

[JA.Tri]

Perhaps. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. And you're quoting a forum poster's GUESS????

I was just putting forward one possible justification for RR stance.

Underlying this was the thought that I (and others) do/may not know of what RR is privy to.

Perhaps RR if asked may provide some insight... and that may be a better way of resolving your query (rather than indicating that RR has no knowledge of the state of play).

 

[MarkvW]

I was just putting forward one possible justification for RR stance.

Underlying this was the thought that I (and others) do/may not know of what RR is privy to.

Perhaps RR if asked may provide some insight... and that may be a better way of resolving your query (rather than indicating that RR has no knowledge of the state of play).

The news that RR implies that he is privy to would be extremely valuable as news. RR's veiled implications of superior knowledge are not credible. If there was a leak (or a superior guess based upon carefully gathered intelligence, as you hypothesize), it would be showing up in a news story before it would be revealed by a series of elliptical Clinic posts.

 

[BroDeal]

The news that RR implies that he is privy to would be extremely valuable as news. RR's veiled implications of superior knowledge are not credible. If there was a leak (or a superior guess based upon carefully gathered intelligence, as you hypothesize), it would be showing up in a news story before it would be revealed by a series of elliptical Clinic posts.

No, it wouldn't. People are talking. They talk to others, and those talk to still others. If you are in the loop, you hear things. What is CN going to report? Certain parts of the cycling community in Colorado and SoCal are aware that many people have offered damning evidence?

 

[pedaling squares]

The news that RR implies that he is privy to would be extremely valuable as news. RR's veiled implications of superior knowledge are not credible. If there was a leak (or a superior guess based upon carefully gathered intelligence, as you hypothesize), it would be showing up in a news story before it would be revealed by a series of elliptical Clinic posts.

Really? Seems to me peoples' buddies learn about rumours and happenings faster than journalists. If a journalist did learn about it, is the source going to want to be quoted? Doubtful at this stage of the game. So the journalist/editor has to decide whether to print an unsubstantiated rumour that might not be validated by events for several months if not years. And the publisher has to deal with mouthpieces like Fabricatani in the interim. I'm sure most credible news outlets wait for something concrete before they go to print. Unlike message boards. There is a lot of crap here but an occasional gold nugget too. I think that in many cases the buddy system is still a fast and accurate source of information.

 

[Race Radio]

The news that RR implies that he is privy to would be extremely valuable as news. RR's veiled implications of superior knowledge are not credible. If there was a leak (or a superior guess based upon carefully gathered intelligence, as you hypothesize), it would be showing up in a news story before it would be revealed by a series of elliptical Clinic posts.

Look, it is not my fault your friends do not share stuff with you.

People talk. The news gets around. Are they going to call up Tim Herman or Fabiani? No. They are also not going to talk with a reporter on the record.

Don't worry, we will all find out who is right soon enough.

 

[MarkvW]

Look, it is not my fault your friends do not share stuff with you.

People talk. The news gets around. Are they going to call up Tim Herman or Fabiani? No. They are also not going to talk with a reporter on the record.

Don't worry, we will all find out who is right soon enough.

I can say that I hope you are right, though.

 

[Polish]

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How do you "resolve the charges'?

Plead guilty to a lesser charge?
Plead guilty to a white lie instead of perjury?

Pay a fine? Would seem unfair to buy your way out of a charge.
Not everyone wealthy enough for that.

What is the procedure....

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-bonds-steroids

ps....gotta love the 1000+ comments at the end of the article...
Sounds familiar
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[D-Queued]

How do you "resolve the charges'?

Plead guilty to a lesser charge?
Plead guilty to a white lie instead of perjury?

Pay a fine? Would seem unfair to buy your way out of a charge.
Not everyone wealthy enough for that.

What is the procedure....

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-bonds-steroids

ps....gotta love the 1000+ comments at the end of the article...
Sounds familiar
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Uhm... Start by asking your attorney?

The reason for your post is... trolling?

Dave.

 

[Polish]

Uhm... Start by asking your attorney?

The reason for your post is... trolling?

Dave.

Relax Dave.

This is a thread about the upcoming Barry Bonds trial.
Due to start in 3 weeks...
My post highlights a recent statement by the Federal Judge in the case.

Judge wants the parties to "resolve the charges" instead of going to Trial.
Wanting to discuss this in the Clinic is not trolling Dave.
Its topical.
Relevent.
Interesting to some.

The Federal Judge and the Federal Prosecutors seem to want to resolve out of court. After 8+ years of chasing Barry. "Resolve" at the last possible moment out of court.

Should Barry take them up on the offer, or fight it out in court?

The comments at the end of the article are fun also.
"WitchHunt" "Waste of Gov Money" "Level Playing Field"
Wonder if Barry employs interns and Public Stratigies.

Of course, there are plenty of Barry Haterz too.

 

[D-Queued]

How do you "resolve the charges'?

...

Ans: Ask your attorney!

Relax Dave.

This is a thread about the upcoming Barry Bonds trial.
Due to start in 3 weeks...
My post highlights a recent statement by the Federal Judge in the case.

Judge wants the parties to "resolve the charges" instead of going to Trial.
Wanting to discuss this in the Clinic is not trolling Dave.
Its topical.
Relevent.
Interesting to some.

The Federal Judge and the Federal Prosecutors seem to want to resolve out of court. After 8+ years of chasing Barry. "Resolve" at the last possible moment out of court.

Should Barry take them up on the offer, or fight it out in court?

The comments at the end of the article are fun also.
"WitchHunt" "Waste of Gov Money" "Level Playing Field"
Wonder if Barry employs interns and Public Stratigies.

Of course, there are plenty of Barry Haterz too.

Sure, I understand all of that. And, yes, probably some relevance here for more than one reason. No argument there.

But, asking a stoopid question (like how do you resolve the charges) gets you a stoopid answer. And, asking a stoopid question looks like trolling.

How do you resolve the charges? Negotiate.

Dave.

 

[Race Radio]

How do you "resolve the charges'?

Plead guilty to a lesser charge?
Plead guilty to a white lie instead of perjury?

Pay a fine? Would seem unfair to buy your way out of a charge.
Not everyone wealthy enough for that.

What is the procedure....

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-bonds-steroids

ps....gotta love the 1000+ comments at the end of the article...
Sounds familiar
.
.
.

It is a very common request. It happens all the time. It would be interesting to see what her exact words were and what she says in a few weeks.

 

[Polish]

Interesting new piece about Jury Nullification

It appears a Jury can Acquit a Defendant if they feel the Trial is a Witch Hunt or "believe the law is unjust or because they believe it is being used in an unjust way'.

However, the Defense is not allowed to tell the Jury about Nullification.

Boy, if Lance ever goes to trial - "Jury Nulification" will be a big concern for the Prosecution I would think.
Much bigger than the Bond's Trial lol.

If Lance ever goes to trial, will the Defense be able to wear LiveStrong Bracelets?
How about the Judge?

Read more at the San Francisco Examiner: http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/201...jury-nullification-bonds-trial##ixzz1FHnt1Tmr

 

[Polish]

ooops, nevermind.....

 

[fatandfast]

Interesting new piece about Jury Nullification

It appears a Jury can Acquit a Defendant if they feel the Trial is a Witch Hunt or "believe the law is unjust or because they believe it is being used in an unjust way'.

However, the Defense is not allowed to tell the Jury about Nullification.

Boy, if Lance ever goes to trial - "Jury Nulification" will be a big concern for the Prosecution I would think.
Much bigger than the Bond's Trial lol.

If Lance ever goes to trial, will the Defense be able to wear LiveStrong Bracelets?
How about the Judge?

Read more at the San Francisco Examiner: http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/201...jury-nullification-bonds-trial##ixzz1FHnt1Tmr

There are a couple of pretty good articles about the jury nullification. The prosecutor is fighting so that the jury doesn't get explore the option. After the reduction from 11 to 5 felony counts. And the tentative nature of what is and is not admissible. This is a crap shoot for the feds.

Botany said in one of his posts that Novitzky's boss surely has given a thumbs up. For the most part that is true. The WSJ and NYT, I think both had articles on how demoralizing it is for Jr and Sr prosecutors to have the boss pull the plug on years of work. The Bonds case has had 3 different leaders of the organization since it started. Like any good manager..hire good people and let them do the job. The government is going to let this ride out even if it looks like a 90% chance they are going to be defeated. The outcome of Bond's vs government may be very chilling if the 10's of millions spent so far go out the window with an innocent verdict

With all the high profiling sporting cases on the books the prosecution of athletes is going to get dicey politically. In other recent Bond's material there are a few articles about how the people and actions of the Bond's case are forming who will and will not be promoted/elected into higher offices and court appointments.

If Miller were to put a freeze on Novitzky as he pursues Armstrong it may ruin his relationship with a highly valuable employee. If I were Miller I would go ahead just on Novitzky's say so and experience. It can't turn out any worse than the bumbling Bond's bozo show.

 

[D-Queued]

ooops, nevermind.....

Got it.

Your best post yet.

Dave.

 

[AnythingButKestrel]

Apparently, the answer to my question is yes. From Twitter

Juliet Macur

Jeff Novitzky, the lead federal investigator in the Balco case, is sitting at the prosecution's table at today's Barry Bonds hearing. #balco
3 hours ago

 

[D-Queued]

Update on Bonds' trial

For those looking for clues from the Barry Bonds trial, there was this update today:

Bonds' messages to ex-mistress released

Apparently this is part of a characterization of the accused:

Prosecutors say the recordings and transcripts are evidence of Bonds' steroid use because the drugs supposedly induce rage in some users.

Will tweets be next?

Dave.

 

[fatandfast]

For those looking for clues from the Barry Bonds trial, there was this update today:

Bonds' messages to ex-mistress released

Apparently this is part of a characterization of the accused:



Will tweets be next?

Dave.

This is telling about Novitzky and his boss. Mostly legal experts say that the government team knew that this would not make it to the jury but instead was done just to make Bonds look worse than he does to the public . Bonds is being described as crabby

 

[eleven]

For those looking for clues from the Barry Bonds trial, there was this update today:

Bonds' messages to ex-mistress released

Apparently this is part of a characterization of the accused:



Will tweets be next?

Dave.

That can't be serious, right? right? It looks like it might be time for the prosecution to, paraphrasing tricky ****, "settle, declare victory and get the &*% out".

They seem to have far more reliable info in the Armstrong investigation.

 

[kurtinsc]

As a US taxpayer... I think they should drop the case personally.

How many millions are we paying in an attempt to put a guy in jail who screwed his body up with drugs?

I mean... I'm okay with it if we're talking about a cheap and easy slam dunk... and I'm okay with it in a case where going after drug suppliers.

But I fail to see how putting Barry Bonds in jail does anything to actually help the US taxpayer in any way.


I guess I understand there's a need to protect our court systems from people willfully lying under oath. I undertand how you need to punish people who do that to discourage others from doing the same. But if it takes this much work to actually prove that the guy lied... it doesn't seem worth the money.

 

[BroDeal]

As a US taxpayer... I think they should drop the case personally.

How many millions are we paying in an attempt to put a guy in jail who screwed his body up with drugs?

I mean... I'm okay with it if we're talking about a cheap and easy slam dunk... and I'm okay with it in a case where going after drug suppliers.

But I fail to see how putting Barry Bonds in jail does anything to actually help the US taxpayer in any way.

I guess I understand there's a need to protect our court systems from people willfully lying under oath. I undertand how you need to punish people who do that to discourage others from doing the same. But if it takes this much work to actually prove that the guy lied... it doesn't seem worth the money.

Yeah, those rich guys are too hard to prosecute. We should not bother. I propose the $10 million rule. If the target has more than $10M in assets then we drop the prosecution.

 

[Darryl Webster]

On a lighter note;
My first "made to measure" frames were built by a Barry Bond...but I dont think he was up to no good

As you were folks

 

[flicker]

As a US taxpayer... I think they should drop the case personally.

How many millions are we paying in an attempt to put a guy in jail who screwed his body up with drugs?

I mean... I'm okay with it if we're talking about a cheap and easy slam dunk... and I'm okay with it in a case where going after drug suppliers.

But I fail to see how putting Barry Bonds in jail does anything to actually help the US taxpayer in any way.


I guess I understand there's a need to protect our court systems from people willfully lying under oath. I undertand how you need to punish people who do that to discourage others from doing the same. But if it takes this much work to actually prove that the guy lied... it doesn't seem worth the money.

As much as the government has wasted on Bonds, they might as well go full monty and prosecute him.
They only thing I see of any merit in a successful prosecution is making a career for Novitzky. That is all these investigations are about.
The homerun king is Hank Arron. That is all I need to know.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

As a US taxpayer... I think they should drop the case personally.

How many millions are we paying in an attempt to put a guy in jail who screwed his body up with drugs?

I mean... I'm okay with it if we're talking about a cheap and easy slam dunk... and I'm okay with it in a case where going after drug suppliers.

But I fail to see how putting Barry Bonds in jail does anything to actually help the US taxpayer in any way.


I guess I understand there's a need to protect our court systems from people willfully lying under oath. I undertand how you need to punish people who do that to discourage others from doing the same. But if it takes this much work to actually prove that the guy lied... it doesn't seem worth the money.

I'm not sure whether this attitude of yours is solely towards Bonds or encompasses the LA debacle...

Either way, it's not about whether some guy lied. It's where the money and drugs came from. And where those drugs and money went. Your PR spin to end either investigation is well taken.

As was the bait. Apparently I'm a sucker for some kinds of troll bait. Congrats...