Is Barry Bonds' Trial The Hold Up?

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stephens said:
I don't think of it as simply as "doubling output." The game is not a home run contest. If you must pick one stat, then RBI is probably the one to look at in regards to one's effectiveness as an offensive player. (but that of course doesn't tell the whole story as a good hitters mere existence in the lineup helps the stats of those hitting before him because they'll get better pitches than they would have, as teams don't want to walk those players and put them on the bases for the upcoming good hitter).

Anyway, Barry Bonds was not a donkey who won the Kentucky Derby. He was a first round draft pick, who built himself into a consistent .300 hitter, 120rbi guy in the first few years of his career.

Did he use drugs? Sure. As did the pitchers he faces in that era. But to try to credit that for all of his success to drug use is silly. People get better. Even as they get older. There are lots of things I can do now that I couldn't 20 years ago at what should have been my physical peak. Athletes are that way,
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You're downplaying the effect drugs had on Bonds. The guy walked 177 times in one of those years. Any pitch in the strike zone had a very high probability of being jacked out of the park.

Being a great player used to mean hitting .300 with more than 20 HR's, 90 to 100 RBI's and winning a gold glove. Bonds was a great player, but with drugs it was turned into a ridiculous exhibition. Credit for that is 100% on PED's.:eek:
 
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Race Radio said:
DiMaggio was retired. Ruth was on his way to retirement, hitting a fraction of his best years.

Please show us a (Clean) player who had a similar leap as Barry at 37, 38, 39.

I can understand how some may think that Barry might escape jail but few rational people think he did not dope and it did not help him greatly.
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They're the same people who think Armstrong was clean. A clear illustration of how irrational they are for as much as PED's helped Bonds, they helped Armstrong EVEN MORE!

That's saying a lot!
 
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Nobody is saying he was a donkey.

The stat where increased power has the most effect is Home runs. Turns a double into a homer. It is no surprise that after starting his doping regime he saw a sudden, clear, jump in output.

This jump is only enhanced by the fact that the vast majority of players his age see a significant decline. Instead starting the normal decline in production....32, 26, 22HR's Barry suddenly jumps from 34 to 49 then 70 The fact that this huge increase in output came at the end of his career makes the benefit he received from doping even more pronounced.
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Do you think Bonds, suspected doping regime, may have been a way of competing with uber juiced pitchers, fielders and his trying to play defense against juiced hitters?
 
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flicker said:
Do you think Bonds, suspected doping regime, may have been a way of competing with uber juiced pitchers, fielders and his trying to play defense against juiced hitters?
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Because of his doping regime, his defense fell apart. He was the best left fielder in baseball clean. On the juice he tore his triceps off his left elbow, ruining his throwing arm and wrecked his knees and back.

He was completely one dimensional on the juice, a home run hitter. Prior to juicing he stole a lot of bases. I'd be interested in knowing how many stolen bases he had after the '98 season.
 
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flicker said:
I watched this guy in the playoffs and series, humble, gangly,kid-like, what maybe 23 years old.
http://www.google.com/images?q=lice...md=ivns&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&um=1&ie=UTF-8&

Likely, the best pitcher in the business.

As for Barry, most of us get heavier with time. In baseball, I guess through training players put on muscle, and fat.
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You do this alot.
Bonds put on over twenty pounds of pure muscle in his mid thirties, in an extremely short time. It was commented on how ripped he was. If it was fat I'd say something.
 
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Does your skull get bigger?

Bonds' did!
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As did his feet. I just hit the same age where Barry's feet and head increased in size. I'm not looking forward to buying new shoes and helmets, but I can't wait for the massive increase in power!
 
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That stuff about after effects is pretty weird. I think the guy said that he didn't see "shrinkage" on Bonds. Compared to what? Can they make Barry bare his b@lls?
 
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As did his feet. I just hit the same age where Barry's feet and head increased in size. I'm not looking forward to buying new shoes and helmets, but I can't wait for the massive increase in power!
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I was reading the Kimmage/Landis transcript and FL was saying they only gave him half his transfusion because he was riding so well it looked ridiculous.

Kind of the double edged sword with PED's. If BB had hit 40 to 50 HR's and gotten just a little bigger people might have swallowed that. The guy became a cartoon.

Kinda like the time I popped a blue pill and me and the old lady went to the swingers club.....
 
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Because of his doping regime, his defense fell apart. He was the best left fielder in baseball clean. On the juice he tore his triceps off his left elbow, ruining his throwing arm and wrecked his knees and back.

He was completely one dimensional on the juice, a home run hitter. Prior to juicing he stole a lot of bases. I'd be interested in knowing how many stolen bases he had after the '98 season.
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Could be his fielding suffered due to age, or to working out with heavy weights, trying to compete with the slugger beasts who were on roids.
I think he focused on the record when he had it in sight, which was an awesome spectacle.
As a Giants fan I was disappointed I always thought the pennent or World s
Series as a team were most important. That bothered me about Barry, the selfishness for his record quests.

I don't agree with you that his fielding suffered due to doping, I think it was age, and trying to break records,that messed up his fielding. As far as head, ball size and sexual disfunction Delilah will clear up that important factoid when she takes the stand Monday.

If I were the prosocuters I would stick with Novitzkys' testimonies and the
fact of Barrys injuries. Those are the most damning. The playmate is just an expensive sideshow, but carnivals do need sideshows.
 
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fatandfast said:
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Please post a video link of you trying one or any of these sports. Don't bring friends or family to see your early efforts because they may question their association with you after the dismal results.
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I'm sorry if you thought I'd read that. Given your post history, I'm not inclined to think that your posts are anything other than a concerted effort to make you feel better about your idol(s).

Again, review your post history, and cross-reference here.
 
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popolo said:
Because of his doping regime, his defense fell apart. He was the best left fielder in baseball clean. On the juice he tore his triceps off his left elbow, ruining his throwing arm and wrecked his knees and back.

He was completely one dimensional on the juice, a home run hitter. Prior to juicing he stole a lot of bases. I'd be interested in knowing how many stolen bases he had after the '98 season.
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Very good point.

Bonds was a member of the 40/40 club. He stole 52 one year and consistently was in the 30-40 range each year.

After 2000 he went 13, 9, 7, 6, 0 in the next 5 years.
 
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Digger said:
You do this alot.
Bonds put on over twenty pounds of pure muscle in his mid thirties, in an extremely short time. It was commented on how ripped he was. If it was fat I'd say something.
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100 days!

You can't do that?

You're not focused or trying hard enough!;)
 
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Race Radio said:
Very good point.

Bonds was a member of the 40/40 club. He stole 52 one year and consistently was in the 30-40 range each year.

After 2000 he went 13, 9, 7, 6, 0 in the next 5 years.
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The guy was probably hitting more HR's than singles.

Very funny stuff!

As you've been pointing out all over the place, Armstrong's performance was even more absurd if one knows how to look.

Thanks.
 
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StyrbjornSterki said:
Who needs stats? After discovering HGH, BB's jersey (US) size went from 42 to 52, his hat went from 7 1/8 to 7 3/4 and his shoe size went from 10 1/2 to 13.

That's either Acromegaly or PEDs.
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Barry was a late bloomer as he hit mid adolesence in his 30s. Very common among athletes these days, could be from watching to much TV, pot smoking, working out with heavy weights, eating to much Kentucky fried chicken or bad water. These growth spurts are common, really.
 
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Its too bad that BB will only be in jail for about 18-24 months. Then again, if you lie under Oath to the Feds about PEDs, who knows how bid a lie you might tell for something like...Taxes. So they should have given him more, IMO.

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Bonds' defence really ripping into Kimerberly Bell about her motives - selling her story for gain etc. Eight women on the jury though could go against the defence.
Bell is a tough nut though, and is holding her own.
 
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Bonds' defence really ripping into Kimerberly Bell about her motives - selling her story for gain etc. Eight women on the jury though could go against the defence.
Bell is a tough nut though, and is holding her own.
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I guess she would be going through 2 marriages with Bonds.

The women I know do not respect mistresses, not at all.
 
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