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Question Is Chris Froome cleans?

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DO YOU THINK FROOMEY IS RIDING CLEANS NOW ?


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He can shop around but I just don’t understand why he bothers?

Froome has won all three grand tours including 4 TdFs. He has plenty of money and can retire comfortably. He was already showing signs of decline before his crash and as mentioned he will be 39 by next years Tour?

With the young talent coming through its impossible to see what he could bring to any team knowing he would still cost more than nurturing a promising young rider at a discount and without the baggage that Froome would bring?
Ego. Why else would he be talking about 2024?
 
Not clean but not peak sky juiced either. That stick insect stuff was some serious schit.

Froome has his Wikipedia palmares, but the last years of noodling around have essentially removed any doubts regarding his non-enhaced capacities. Back to the barloworld days.

2011-18 were the anomaly and/or a lance level bad joke.
 
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I wonder whether Israel will simply leave Froome out of every race this season. I could totally see a situation arise where his team tells him at the end of the year "stay until your contract ends in 2025 but you won't ride another race, or accept to rescind your contract & you can go elsewhere" (to some conti team just for the sake of riding a bit more).

It's not like he even brings any UCI points anymore anyway. People act like his contract is a guarantee, but it's only a guarantee of payment. Not selection.

He could totally be left out of training camps & even minor races for the rest of his career if his team wants to play hardball.
 
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I wonder whether Israel will simply leave Froome out of every race this season. I could totally see a situation arise where his team tells him at the end of the year "stay until your contract ends in 2025 but you won't ride another race, or accept to rescind your contract & you can go elsewhere" (to some conti team just for the sake of riding a bit more).

It's not like he even brings any UCI points anymore anyway. People act like his contract is a guarantee, but it's only a guarantee of payment. Not selection.

He could totally be left out of training camps & even minor races for the rest of his career if his team wants to play hardball.

He'll be just eating donuts and drinking beer with the money incoming. Not that hard ball!
 
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I think IPT will do exactly what you say ... tell him he is done riding for IPT and pay him his salary for the next year and half. If I were Adams, I would also tell him that he is still under contract and therefore is not allowed to ride for anyone else. If he wants to ride somewhere else next year, then his buyout will be negotiated down. Would another team pick him up? Probably not, but I think Froome's ego would tell him otherwise.
I'm no expert on professional cycling contracts, but I believe it would violate Froome's contract to not permit him to race. I recall Lefevere got crosswise with Sam Bennett in 2021 when Lefevere said he wouldn't let Bennett race once he was healthy.

I think IPT's leverage would need to be more subtle: "We won't let you race a first-rate program, so if you want to get out of the contract, you'll need to reach agreement with us on a buyout." And like you, I'm skeptical that the bones of Chris Froome would tempt any World Tour team, and I think enough of Froome to believe he would know that as well. He hasn't given IPT any reason to argue he is in breach of his contract, to my knowledge. He has been a good teammate. And as speculated above, he looks like he is riding clean to me. Adams just signed a shockingly bad deal - one that seemed outrageous at the outset and has proven far worse.
 
Interesting proposition that maybe the severity of his injury/crash was inflated. Hmm, never considered this.

My take: the crash, age, and the lack of Sky team money, doctors, trainers all have worked together to bring him back down to Earth. He's likely still on PEDs, but his body and mind aren't responding the same way.
 
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I think pre 2011 Froome was clean and post accident Froome is also clean.

2011 - 2018 ... let's not get in to that

But at least he had the decency to leave monuments, 1 day races and most of the 1 week races to other people. Unlike some greedy fuks today
 
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Wow.
Talking on a recent cycling podcast three-time Tour de France winner and ex-world champion Greg LeMond threw in the name of Chris Froome when discussing moto-doping.
He is convinced it happened within the peloton and witnessing multiple bike changes during races made him want to turn off the tv.
Note: Greg Lemond did not directly accuse any rider or team, but did say: "I'm a sceptic on everything.
"Sometimes I can't follow cycling because I don't believe in it. I truly believe motors were used to win a lot of big races.
"Until very recently it was a real deal. You don't see bike changes like you did five years ago.
"How could it be that the equipment was so bad, Shimano was making really bad equipment?
"I would see five bike changes by riders and it pissed me off. I've ridden a motor, I've seen what's happened with it, I have insight and know who I believe was using it, but I won't say it out loud.
"I've talked to pro's on the team that know they were used on the same team.
"It's hard to say it outright until you have the motor and the bike and I don't want to get sued.
"If I can say this and it won't be popular, if you look at Chris Froome's Mount Ventoux I could show you in the file there are so many unnatural things there.
"If you go back today and watch some of the performances in that period the RPM's are insane. Nobody is efficient at 100-110 RPM's up a climb.....ever.
"The acceleration that was taking place on Ventoux, you can see him accelerating and the wattage is coming down dramatically. That should be going up or maintaining at a very high level.
"It really bothered me and we talked to the police. They got a new president (UCI) David Lappartient and he took the motors very seriously and when I look at it today there is no evidence of that.
"There are no high RPMs, there are not these massive bike changes, the bike changes were insanity. I was working with Eurosport at the time and I wanted to scream: 'This is s**! This is crazy."
 
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Not clean but not peak sky juiced either. That stick insect stuff was some serious schit.

Froome has his Wikipedia palmares, but the last years of noodling around have essentially removed any doubts regarding his non-enhaced capacities. Back to the barloworld days.

2011-18 were the anomaly and/or a lance level bad joke.
He wasn't this bad in his Barloworld days, he'd quite often finish in the top 50 of a mountain stage...
 
Wow.
Talking on a recent cycling podcast three-time Tour de France winner and ex-world champion Greg LeMond threw in the name of Chris Froome when discussing moto-doping.
He is convinced it happened within the peloton and witnessing multiple bike changes during races made him want to turn off the tv.
Note: Greg Lemond did not directly accuse any rider or team, but did say: "I'm a sceptic on everything.
"Sometimes I can't follow cycling because I don't believe in it. I truly believe motors were used to win a lot of big races.
"Until very recently it was a real deal. You don't see bike changes like you did five years ago.
"How could it be that the equipment was so bad, Shimano was making really bad equipment?
"I would see five bike changes by riders and it pissed me off. I've ridden a motor, I've seen what's happened with it, I have insight and know who I believe was using it, but I won't say it out loud.
"I've talked to pro's on the team that know they were used on the same team.
"It's hard to say it outright until you have the motor and the bike and I don't want to get sued.
"If I can say this and it won't be popular, if you look at Chris Froome's Mount Ventoux I could show you in the file there are so many unnatural things there.
"If you go back today and watch some of the performances in that period the RPM's are insane. Nobody is efficient at 100-110 RPM's up a climb.....ever.
"The acceleration that was taking place on Ventoux, you can see him accelerating and the wattage is coming down dramatically. That should be going up or maintaining at a very high level.
"It really bothered me and we talked to the police. They got a new president (UCI) David Lappartient and he took the motors very seriously and when I look at it today there is no evidence of that.
"There are no high RPMs, there are not these massive bike changes, the bike changes were insanity. I was working with Eurosport at the time and I wanted to scream: 'This is s**! This is crazy."
In light of discrepancies between the beginning, the middle and the end of Froomes career it is one of the greatest unexplained mysteries. How did pack fodder become a 7 time grand tour winner and back to pack fodder again.

Those comments by Lemond are astonishing and the seated high cadence style riding up mountain passes always bemused me.
 
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His crash gave him the perfect excuse to opt out. I don't do the same power anymore but its due to the crash, a seemingly valid explanation for his major drop in performance. If he is still taking stuff, he is an idiot. (Also if he needs stuff to perform like he does, what stuff was he on before... the first unnoticable speedelec?)à
 
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Those comments by LeMond were interesting. Not sure if that data is available for Froome (increased cadence on Ventoux and lower watts output -- how does LeMond know this, did Froome publish his numbers?). On that podcast, he and the host basically call out Cancellara (LeMond doesn't say his name, the host does) for his ridiculous dropping of Boonen and otherworldly accelerations while seated. Surely something went on, but I never suspected Froome of using a motor. Doped to the gills, yes. Motor usage, I don't know. What is the general consensus here?

Btw, the podcast is the Roadman Podcast. This episode was only on YouTube I believe. It's a good one, highly recommended.

Omerta Busted: LeMond's Unfiltered EPO Tale
 
Those comments by LeMond were interesting. Not sure if that data is available for Froome (increased cadence on Ventoux and lower watts output -- how does LeMond know this, did Froome publish his numbers?). On that podcast, he and the host basically call out Cancellara (LeMond doesn't say his name, the host does) for his ridiculous dropping of Boonen and otherworldly accelerations while seated. Surely something went on, but I never suspected Froome of using a motor. Doped to the gills, yes. Motor usage, I don't know. What is the general consensus here?

Btw, the podcast is the Roadman Podcast. This episode was only on YouTube I believe. It's a good one, highly recommended.

Omerta Busted: LeMond's Unfiltered EPO Tale
The data was hacked and leaked, confirmed as legitimate, here it is with the race footage, what people were concerned about was the massive watts spike not really correlating with the heart rate;

 
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https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...e-climb-faster-because-we-are-better-athletes
Richard Freeman was recently suspended for doping for the time he worked for INEOS Grenadiers (then Team Sky) and British Cycling. That has caused some media to question the authenticity of the 4 Tour de France victories of Chris Froome.

The Brit, in statements collected by Triathlon Diary, defended himself by attacking the Lance Armstrong era: "We climb faster because we are better athletes. Everything evolved and that also helps. Now we have better technology, nutrition also helps and new training methods with another plus."
He explains that the way of racing in the modern era is different from what it was at the beginning of the 21st century. According to him, cyclists now recover in the intermediate stages in order to be able to make big efforts in the key stages. "We don't recover as fast as they did. So, for example, when you know there's going to be a key mountain day, the peloton goes slower the days before. We all need to slow down.

(We all need to slow down ...ha ha ha! Fastest tour etc etc Oh yeah, stronger tailwinds ... damn those tailwinds!)
 
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https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...e-climb-faster-because-we-are-better-athletes
Richard Freeman was recently suspended for doping for the time he worked for INEOS Grenadiers (then Team Sky) and British Cycling. That has caused some media to question the authenticity of the 4 Tour de France victories of Chris Froome.

The Brit, in statements collected by Triathlon Diary, defended himself by attacking the Lance Armstrong era: "We climb faster because we are better athletes. Everything evolved and that also helps. Now we have better technology, nutrition also helps and new training methods with another plus."
He explains that the way of racing in the modern era is different from what it was at the beginning of the 21st century. According to him, cyclists now recover in the intermediate stages in order to be able to make big efforts in the key stages. "We don't recover as fast as they did. So, for example, when you know there's going to be a key mountain day, the peloton goes slower the days before. We all need to slow down.

(We all need to slw down ...ha ha ha! Fastest tour etc etc Oh yeah, stronger tailwinds ... damn those tailwinds!)
Did he actually say that? Because every time they put a mic in front of a rider, they say there are no easy days anymore, and they've been saying that for a long while
 

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