Is Team Sky just part of a bigger plan?

[Dr. Maserati]

While it's impossible to know what Sky's motives are, one of the safer bets was the usual Olympics funding bubbles that pass through host countries.

The UCI operates a worldwide monopoly on competitive cycling. It seems like a worldwide media organization might be an attractive pairing to both parties continued efforts to "globalize." Or, maybe the UCI/Cookson found someone with lots of play money like another OPQS. Lots of possibilities. All of it is about money though.

Amm .... ah. Ya.

 

[taiwan]

I'm not a fan of sky - but seriously get over it already. It's getting very very boring now.

Problem is that they're looking very much like ducks but there's nothing indisputable on them. Hence there is a lot of dispute on the subject.

Geert Leinders was a pretty good spot though. The history of some coaching staff is pretty strongly indicative as well. And now their riders' W/kg values.

 

[Alphabet]

How many proven dopers/people involved in doping have Sky employed? I count 5:

-Leinders
-Julich
-Yates
-Rogers
-Barry

Have I missed any? I think there was another doctor in there somewhere. And we should probably include Motoman as a known associate.

 

[Spencer the Half Wit]

How many proven dopers/people involved in doping have Sky employed? I count 5:

-Leinders
-Julich
-Yates
-Rogers
-Barry

Have I missed any? I think there was another doctor in there somewhere. And we should probably include Motoman as a known associate.

Yates and Rogers are not proven. Highly suspect though. Motoman? Are we including friends of friends now?

 

[taiwan]

De Jongh also.

 

[del1962]

Yates and Rogers are not proven. Highly suspect though. Motoman? Are we including friends of friends now?

Don't forget that Sky sometimes employ Pete as a mechanic, who is a good friend of Geoff, who happens to sometimes ride with Paul, who once had his photo taken with Lance

 

[Benotti69]

Yates and Rogers are not proven. Highly suspect though. Motoman? Are we including friends of friends now?

Yates worked for Bruyneel. Proven.

Rogers rode for Mapei, QuickStep and TMobile. I think Rogers doped.

 

[Benotti69]

Don't forget that Sky sometimes employ Pete as a mechanic, who is a good friend of Geoff, who happens to sometimes ride with Paul, who once had his photo taken with Lance

You're not fooling anyone. If Sky dont dope, you wouldn't be spending so much time in here trying to convince people otherwise.

You would be enjoying the TdF and not bothered by this little echo chamber inhabited by 12 people.

It was the same with Armstrong's fans. Pretending they believed he was clean and never doped.

You know Sky are doping or at least are extremely suspicious, so do most of the Sky fans who come in here to obfuscate.

 

[del1962]

Yates worked for Bruyneel. Proven.

Rogers rode for Mapei, QuickStep and TMobile. I think Rogers doped.

Quite a number of riders in the current tour worked for Brunyeel though, are they all proven?

 

[taiwan]

Yates was brought to Disco by Lance himself, was a DS under Bruyneel, claims not to have seen anything. Yates is a gimmie.

 

[ebandit]

know it all

You're not fooling anyone. If Sky dont dope, you wouldn't be spending so much time in here trying to convince people otherwise.

You know Sky are doping or at least are extremely suspicious, so do most of the Sky fans who come in here to obfuscate.

if you truly knew team sky were doping you would not be spending so much effort trying to convince everyone

of course we have reason to be suspicious ........the truth however is a little more ellusive

Mark L

 

[thehog]

Yates and Rogers are not proven. Highly suspect though. Motoman? Are we including friends of friends now?

Yates tested positive. That's fairly proven.

Rogers is in the Freiburg papers & reasoned decision. That's impressive!

 

[Zam_Olyas]

if you truly knew team sky were doping you would not be spending so much effort trying to convince everyone

of course we have reason to be suspicious ........the truth however is a little more ellusive

Mark L

Like peace has proven to be elusive in the middle east for decades?

 

[lemoogle]

You know Sky are doping or at least are extremely suspicious, so do most of the Sky fans who come in here to obfuscate.

Fully agree, in my younger fanboy days (We've all had some) , I would celebrate and talk to people about how awesome it was, not rush to a forum to defend the performances.

Even with a fair amount of doubt for my country's recent swimming performances ( France ) , I wouldn't rush to find out if anybody was calling them dopers.

You have to be fully suspicious yourself and aware of how ridiculous a performance is looking to do this. I think most fanboys come here to convince themselves that their hero is not doping rather than us.

 

[del1962]

You're not fooling anyone. If Sky dont dope, you wouldn't be spending so much time in here trying to convince people otherwise.

You would be enjoying the TdF and not bothered by this little echo chamber inhabited by 12 people.

It was the same with Armstrong's fans. Pretending they believed he was clean and never doped.

You know Sky are doping or at least are extremely suspicious, so do most of the Sky fans who come in here to obfuscate.

No I do not know Sky are doping, in fact I think they are most likely clean, but of course I can't be certain. What really interests me is evidence which is why I came to the clinic in the first place, to find out more about the Armstrong case.

If Sky are doping (which I think is unlikely) then evidence will come out, and yes I probably do spend to much time in the clinic, but I like to challnge fallacies and am argumentative like that.

 

[lemoogle]

if you truly knew team sky were doping you would not be spending so much effort trying to convince everyone

Please reread that statement and realise how ridiculous that sounds.

 

[thehog]

No I do not know Sky are doping, in fact I think they are most likely clean, but of course I can't be certain. What really interests me is evidence which is why I came to the clinic in the first place, to find out more about the Armstrong case.

If Sky are doping (which I think is unlikely) then evidence will come out, and yes I probably do spend to much time in the clinic, but I like to challnge fallacies and am argumentative like that.

The Dawg is evidence. It's proven that no matter how awkward you look on a bike. Drugs will make you better.

 

[Alphabet]

Have I missed something here? Sean Yates tested positive in 1989. Then, recently he brought Sky's team car over to Stars n Bikes, the bike shop owned by Motoman. So there's no 'friend of a friend of a friend's cousin's brother-in-law's friend of a friend of a friend' situation here, Sky are only one degree of separation from Motoman courtesy of Yates.

 

[Benotti69]

No I do not know Sky are doping, in fact I think they are most likely clean, but of course I can't be certain. What really interests me is evidence which is why I came to the clinic in the first place, to find out more about the Armstrong case.

If Sky are doping (which I think is unlikely) then evidence will come out, and yes I probably do spend to much time in the clinic, but I like to challnge fallacies and am argumentative like that.

If you came to see the evidence, well what has been put before you you have treated as nonsense and dismissed, yet very similar evidence was what made Paul Kimmage, David Walsh, Pierre Ballestre and others question Armstrong.

Sky have worked very hard to distance themselves from doping, by getting rid of their proven doping Doctor Leinders and others who have a know doping past.

But we got no explanation why they were hired in the 1st place.

We got no explanation as to why fire them and not others?

We got no explanation about Mick Barry.

We got no explanation how Froome went from losing his contract to podium of a GT in weeks.

There are threads full of stuff that needs explanations, yet all you do is dismiss it all as hatred, yet the same was applied to Armstrong and Landis to a smaller degree.

So please in the 9 months you have been posting you have not sought information but trolled the sky threads dismissing anyone and anything that questions Sky.

 

[Benotti69]

if you truly knew team sky were doping you would not be spending so much effort trying to convince everyone

of course we have reason to be suspicious ........the truth however is a little more ellusive

Mark L

If Walsh truly knew Armstrong was doping why did he bother spending 15 years trying to convince everyone?

This is a little echo chamber and i echo my thoughts about the current and past doping situations in cycling as is my wont.

 

[Spencer the Half Wit]

Have I missed something here? Sean Yates tested positive in 1989. Then, recently he brought Sky's team car over to Stars n Bikes, the bike shop owned by Motoman. So there's no 'friend of a friend of a friend's cousin's brother-in-law's friend of a friend of a friend' situation here, Sky are only one degree of separation from Motoman courtesy of Yates.

Didn't Yates successfully appeal against the positive? Can't remember the full details though, so I may be wrong. Any evidence Motoman worked for SKY, which seemed to be your initial assertion?

My apologies, reading back you called Motoman an associate, which he was of Yates, not Sky though.

 

[Benotti69]

Didn't Yates successfully appeal against the positive? Can't remember the full details though, so I may be wrong. Any evidence Motoman worked for SKY, which seemed to be your initial assertion?

"Yates initially tested positive for testosterone after winning the 1989 Torhout - Werchter Classic but additional samples showed negative and there were procedural errors in the testing process. Yates was not subject to any sanctions."

Yates did appeal successfully, but that i think we can take this with a pinch of salt considering the UCI runs doping

 

[Spencer the Half Wit]

"Yates initially tested positive for testosterone after winning the 1989 Torhout - Werchter Classic but additional samples showed negative and there were procedural errors in the testing process. Yates was not subject to any sanctions."

Yates did appeal successfully, but that i think we can take this with a pinch of salt considering the UCI runs doping

Agreed. However, technically not proven, though, as I said, highly suspicious.

 

[Alphabet]

No, it wasn't. I said Motoman should be lumped in as a known associate of Yates, and by extension, Sky 2010-12. An associate, not an employee.

As far as I know, Yates did no such thing, and his resignation, according to several newspapers, was because he admitted being involved in doping:

SEAN Yates, one of the men who masterminded Bradley Wiggins' Tour de France victory in July, has left Team Sky after admitting an involvement in doping.

Telegraph Sport understands that Yates, a legendary figure on the British cycling scene for nearly three decades, has left the team with immediate effect after completing an interview with Team Sky’s general manager, David Brailsford, as part of his policy of zero tolerance to doping.

Sean Yates has resigned from his job as directeur sportif with Team Sky after being interviewed as part of the team's zero tolerance policy on doping, according to reports.

Just three months after guiding Bradley Wiggins to Britain's greatest-ever victory in the history of road cycling, when the Londoner captured the country's first-ever Tour de France win, Sky's lead sports director, Sean Yates, has quit the team.

His past as a former team-mate of Lance Armstrong's and sports director on the American's team from 2005-7 had led to questions being raised about Yates's future at Sky when the British team announced their anti-doping probe – designed to ensure that anyone revealing past connections to banned drugs use, however distant, would be asked to leave.

As far as evidence of his friendship with Motoman goes, you can't get much more conclusive than this:

Open and shut case.

 

[Spencer the Half Wit]

No, it wasn't. I said Motoman should be lumped in as a known associate of Yates, and by extension, Sky 2010-12. An associate, not an employee.

As far as I know, Yates did no such thing, and his resignation, according to several newspapers, was because he admitted being involved in doping:









As far as evidence of his friendship with Motoman goes, you can't get much more conclusive than this:

Open and shut case.

I edited the post and apologised for my misreading. Which papers explicitly said that he resigned because he admitted doping? Most of them referred to his association with Armstrong and his "positive" but said he denied doping.