Is Walsh on the Sky bandwagon?

[sniper]

Walsh totally respects Bassons, and still finds it reassuring that a guy with a Lance-crush wins the 2012 tdf.

Tom Pickwell ‏@t_p87
@DavidWalshST do you agree with Christophe Bassons that the 2012 TDF was not reassuring against doping? Where does that leave cycling?


David Walsh ‏@DavidWalshST 19h
@t_p87 Tom, I'm glad you liked the book. I totally respect Christophe Bassons but don't agree with his take on 2012 Tour.

 

[thehog]

Walsh totally respects Bassons, and still finds it reassuring that a guy with a Lance-crush wins the 2012 tdf.

What does Bassons know? Did he ever even finish the Tour?

 

[Jack (6 ch)]

Hes playing the long game. He wrote an article today about Breyne and pretty much said that its China's fault (or did he? - maybe it was the UCI he was finger pointing at) for the clen positive (and subsequent suicide attempt).

Never even mentioned Rogers in the article. Funny that

I don't think his remarks should be interpreted that way (though perhaps they could). The comment wasn't that direct at all. At best, it is an inconclusive end to the article. Muddying the waters, you might say.

Who was the Sky rider who lost, like, 5 kg in 5 weeks ahead of the TdF? Did he train in China?

 

[maltiv]

Who was the Sky rider who lost, like, 5 kg in 5 weeks ahead of the TdF? Did he train in China?

Kennaugh. There was a picture of the veins in his leg which was simply frightening.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Kennaugh. There was a picture of the veins in his leg which was simply frightening.

Yes Kennaugh, the next donkey to racehorse GT powerhouse.

I'm still surprised none of the clean riders (if there are any) are just sitting back looking at the circus.

 

[gooner]

Yes Kennaugh, the next donkey to racehorse GT powerhouse.

I'm still surprised none of the clean riders (if there are any) are just sitting back looking at the circus.

Kimmage put the question to Brailsford during the Tour, how did he lose 5kg after Romandie. He probably knew it from speaking to Walsh.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Kimmage put the question to Brailsford during the Tour, how did he lose 5kg after Romandie. He probably knew it from speaking to Walsh.

ok, fwiw Walsh piece on JTL and Rogers last weekend (?) had the right level of Journalism imo. Objective and balanced. Neutral.

 

[gooner]

ok, fwiw Walsh piece on JTL and Rogers last weekend (?) had the right level of Journalism imo. Objective and balanced. Neutral.

Agree.

To correct, it seems Kennaugh disclosed it publicly himself.

To illustrate the point, Paul Kimmage asked Brailsford precisely how Peter Kennaugh had managed - by his own admission - to lose five kilograms since he lined up at the Tour de Romandie in late April.

"Through calorie deficit," Brailsford said bluntly, before then expanding slightly on his answer. "Why not speak to Nigel our nutritionist? It's a good question to ask. That is a lot of weight to lose and I totally agree with you. What do we do to get to that kind of weight loss? They're the types of questions that would be legitimate to answer. I don't think there's any great secret in that."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lessons-have-been-learned-says-brailsford

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Agree.

To correct, it seems Kennaugh disclosed it publicly himself.



http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lessons-have-been-learned-says-brailsford

To be fair to everybody, the best thing to do is judge everybody piece by piece.

Of course the average gotta be somewhat over the water. Otherwise everybody could be doing it, including myself.

Edit: lots of everybody, lol

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Agree.

To correct, it seems Kennaugh disclosed it publicly himself.



http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lessons-have-been-learned-says-brailsford

And yet, he never asked. Or if he did, never reported back. It's enough to support the narrative of "transparency" to record Brailsford encouraging Walsh to ask the question of their nutritionist.

But falls entirely flat when he doesn't, or doesn't report the answer.

The weightloss method - via calorie deficit - is legitimate, but not so much weight for someone already at race weight coz they are racing, and for my mind, not for someone preparing that late in the season for the Tour de France.

Also, pedantically, Brailsford did not expand on his answer one iota. He dared Walsh to pursue the line of questioning.

It weirds me out that Sky lovers read this sort of thing and just swallow it whole. It's like a politician answering a question with, "that's a very good question" and then talking about something else entirely.

 

[blackcat]

the older bro was on the original Sky roster?

seems amazing, even on leaving, he ****s in the nest.

the younger bro, was earmarked with Froome as the ones who would be the first GB Cycling TdF winner. Back about 2007 when Froome put out record wattages on the ergo for Brailsford, and they fasttracked his citizenship, well, maybe, he always had the passport cos of his mom.

Then Wiggins starts to get really great responder status to new drugs.

 

[bobbins]

the older bro was on the original Sky roster?

seems amazing, even on leaving, he ****s in the nest.

the younger bro, was earmarked with Froome as the ones who would be the first GB Cycling TdF winner. Back about 2007 when Froome put out record wattages on the ergo for Brailsford, and they fasttracked his citizenship, well, maybe, he always had the passport cos of his mom.

Then Wiggins starts to get really great responder status to new drugs.

Froome and Wiggins both tested very close results to each others but Froome was inconsistent from day to day.

 

[martinvickers]

And yet, he never asked. Or if he did, never reported back. It's enough to support the narrative of "transparency" to record Brailsford encouraging Walsh to ask the question of their nutritionist.

But falls entirely flat when he doesn't, or doesn't report the answer.

The weightloss method - via calorie deficit - is legitimate, but not so much weight for someone already at race weight coz they are racing, and for my mind, not for someone preparing that late in the season for the Tour de France.

Also, pedantically, Brailsford did not expand on his answer one iota. He dared Walsh to pursue the line of questioning.

It weirds me out that Sky lovers read this sort of thing and just swallow it whole. It's like a politician answering a question with, "that's a very good question" and then talking about something else entirely.

It was Kimmage, not Walsh.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

It was Kimmage, not Walsh.

Thanks .

 

[blackcat]

sheet, i thought Tim was Peter Kennaugh's older brother. I thoughtbefore he got ill, he was earmarked (the younger one, i just found out he is the younger) as the talented Kennaugh

 

[William H]

Yes Kennaugh, the next donkey to racehorse GT powerhouse.

I'm still surprised none of the clean riders (if there are any) are just sitting back looking at the circus.

Come on, calling Kennaugh a donkey is ridiculous. He's only 24, was an impressive in the U23s before he stepped up to Pro-Tour level at a young age, and has an olympic gold medal

 

[Netserk]

Come on, calling Kennaugh a donkey is ridiculous. He's only 24, was an impressive in the U23s before he stepped up to Pro-Tour level at a young age, and has an olympic gold medal

I'm sure you also didn't consider Wiggo a donkey before '09...

 

[hrotha]

I'm sure you also didn't consider Wiggo a donkey before '09...

That's irrelevant. Unlike Wiggins, Kennaugh has actually shown real climbing abilities and talent from a young age. They're not comparable at all.

 

[elduggo]

Come on, calling Kennaugh a donkey is ridiculous. He's only 24, was an impressive in the U23s before he stepped up to Pro-Tour level at a young age, and has an olympic gold medal

likewise calling him a racehorse. I like Kennaugh. He seems believable enough to me and (smart alecy comments aside) he makes the right noises about doping related stories/issues.

I haven't seen anything from him during his time with sky that would have alarm bells ringing. So hes hardly a racehorse really, is he?

 

[Jack (6 ch)]

I haven't seen anything from him during his time with sky that would have alarm bells ringing. e?

Losing 5 kg in no time surely sets the alarm bells gently resonating in the background?

At 1.74 tall that's a lot to lose when, supposedly, you were pretty fit anyway? I'd love to know if anyone ever had the follow up conversation with 'Nigel the nutritionist'.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Losing 5 kg in no time surely sets the alarm bells gently resonating in the background?

At 1.74 tall that's a lot to lose when, supposedly, you were pretty fit anyway? I'd love to know if anyone ever had the follow up conversation with 'Nigel the nutritionist'.

I put that question to Kimmage on Twitter. Waiting for a reply...

 

[blackcat]

how does one do caloric deficit and seek to peak in training. Even on a taper, they still need to eat, and they arent riding the 250km 6 hour training rides on taper.

the caloric deficit is BS when they are talking about stripping 5% of the gross weight, and then they expect to maintain the same power output with alot less functional muscle in the quads and glutes.

I have been banging on about this myth for years on here before the brailsford bull****

 

[blackcat]

Froome and Wiggins both tested very close results to each others but Froome was inconsistent from day to day.

ta, and I did get Peter and younger brother Tim around the wrong way. I thought Tim was the older bro, and Peter the younger.

I always thought the youngest Kennaugh was the one slated by the hierarchy. But I got that wrong too. I am making a pattern of getting things wrong. no surprise there.

thnx for the wiggins clarification.

i am a big-ups promoter of Froome on this forum, everyone thinks he is a fraud, i reckon he is on space age dope, but when he was 23 and debuting at the Tour on John Robertsons Barlo team, he showed what he was capable of. And John Robertson, lets say, he might have had them on some quality stuff too. O'raos not quite the Sky level stuff but.

 

[blutto]

how does one do caloric deficit and seek to peak in training. Even on a taper, they still need to eat, and they arent riding the 250km 6 hour training rides on taper.

the caloric deficit is BS when they are talking about stripping 5% of the gross weight, and then they expect to maintain the same power output with alot less functional muscle in the quads and glutes.

I have been banging on about this myth for years on here before the brailsford bull****

....could the magic that clenbuterol brings to the table be at play here?...it has been said that body builders use clen in somewhat similar circumstances ....

Cheers

 

[blackcat]

....could the magic that clenbuterol brings to the table be at play here?...it has been said that body builders use clen in somewhat similar circumstances ....

Cheers

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