Is Walsh on the Sky bandwagon?

[sniper]

Trey Greenwood has his nose up because he didn't like that Walsh praised Kittel for hitting out at Contador and others in their reaction to the whole Lance/USADA affair after one of his stage wins in the Tour.

now that you mention it, odd that kittel hit out at contador but not at talansky or weltz.

and when contador had the balls to stand up to lance, wiggo was walking around with a yella wrist band. but don't expect kittel or walsh to recall that.

 

[del1962]

now that you mention it, odd that kittel hit out at contador but not at talansky or weltz.

and when contador had the balls to stand up to lance, wiggo was walking around with a yella wrist band. but don't expect kittel or walsh to recall that.

Albert Contador, one of the biggest names in cycling, Talansky at the time a nobody, why wouldn't Kittel concentrate on what Contador said over Talansly, are you a contador fanboy?

 

[thehog]

Tough times for Walsh in his clinic.

All his biggest fans going into full vortex mode can only mean one thing, there arent any good arguments as to why he isnt on the bandwagon.

Vortexes?

Just pressed blue blazers, pleated trousers and floral shirts.

That's all that remains.

 

[gooner]

Ah yes... I remember it Trey gets a big thumbs up from me... I like him. Kittel's reaction was ridiculous anyway and let's not forget Trey knows Alberto better than any poster on this forum. He surely knows what Contador would think better than Kittel or Walsh!

I only came across it because you retweeted what he said which came up on my timeline.

Tough times for Walsh in his clinic.

All his biggest fans going into full vortex mode can only mean one thing, there arent any good arguments as to why he isnt on the bandwagon.

I'm not a fan of journalists and don't support them. In the case of Walsh I respect him but I keep my support for a team or sports individuals themselves.

Frankly speaking I think we give too much publicity to journalists in the sport. We can criticise when necessary but they are not the story and it's rather odd some of them get more attention than the riders themselves.

In comparison with football, fans don't give any of the level of attention that Walsh and Kimmage get to the likes of Oliver Holt, John Cross, Steven Howard, or award winning ones like Martin Samuel or Michael Calvin.

No problem in respecting what they do, but I think it's another issue to worship, idolise and follow them unconditionally up the garden path as if they were some huge sporting institution themselves.

Frankly, I think it's laughable if anyone follows journalists like that.

now that you mention it, odd that kittel hit out at contador but not at talansky or weltz.

and when contador had the balls to stand up to lance, wiggo was walking around with a yella wrist band. but don't expect kittel or walsh to recall that.

Walsh wrote in his interview with Wiggins that he was a big defender of Lance.

 

[sniper]

Albert Contador, one of the biggest names in cycling, Talansky at the time a nobody, why wouldn't Kittel concentrate on what Contador said over Talansly, are you a contador fanboy?

perhaps you're making a fair point.
with kittel i don't know.
should probably appreciate his outspokenness.
but can't help feeling he's picking on the easy targets.

and to your question, not a fanboy, but sure have come to appreciate him compared to two years ago. the underdog role suits him.
i am also more of a riis fan than a brailsford fan.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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If a Sky joke offends you as an "independent journalist" then you are clearly no longer independent, and have become Phil Liggett regarding Lance Armstrong, his gold-mine partnering, private jet sharing friend.

 

[the sceptic]

I'm not a fan of journalists and don't support them. In the case of Walsh I respect him but I keep my support for a team or sports individuals themselves.

Frankly speaking I think we give too much publicity to journalists in the sport. We can criticise when necessary but they are not the story and it's rather odd some of them get more attention than the riders themselves.

In comparison with football, fans don't give any of the level of attention that Walsh and Kimmage get to the likes of Oliver Holt, John Cross, Steven Howard, or award winning ones like Martin Samuel or Michael Calvin.

No problem in respecting what they do, but I think it's another issue to worship, idolise and follow them unconditionally up the garden path as if they were some huge sporting institution themselves.

Frankly, I think it's laughable if anyone follows journalists like that.

Thats true, there isnt many professions I have less respect for than sports journalism.

99% of them are clowns that could be replaced tomorrow and I wouldnt care one bit, however I do think that people like Kimmage and Walsh deserve to get some respect for bringing up uncomfortable subjects.

If a mainstream football journalist started writing seriously about doping, wouldnt you become a fan? I know I would.

 

[gooner]

Thats true, there isnt many professions I have less respect for than sports journalism.

99% of them are clowns that could be replaced tomorrow and I wouldnt care one bit, however I do think that people like Kimmage and Walsh deserve to get some respect for bringing up uncomfortable subjects.

If a mainstream football journalist started writing seriously about doping, wouldnt you become a fan? I know I would.

Tom English has written some stuff about doping in football and in particular wrote one brilliant article contrasting Wenger and Ferguson's stance on doping which painted Ferguson in poor light. Like Kimmage and Walsh he gets a lot of respect for that but I wouldn't say I'm a fan in an emotional sense. I don't see sports journalists in that light. In fact I would keep that status for journalists who cover stories in far more important walks of life.

 

[The Hitch]

Praise for martin samuel can not go without response on a cycling forum. This is the ****er who got to write a cycling article in the mail, purely because he got some popularity for football columns (not that popularity among football fans should EVER be used to judge how good a "journalist" is) having clearly never been within 3 square miles of a bicycle.

Wrote a bunch of total nonesence including that anything more than 10% better timewise than Hinault Lemonds 1986 Alpe d huez ascent, is clear doping (ie anything under about 42 minutes and 10 seconds)

 

[Parker]

Praise for martin samuel can not go without response on a cycling forum. This is the ****er who got to write a cycling article in the mail, purely because he got some popularity for football columns (not that popularity among football fans should EVER be used to judge how good a "journalist" is) having clearly never been within 3 square miles of a bicycle.

Wrote a bunch of total nonesence including that anything more than 10% better timewise than Hinault Lemonds 1986 Alpe d huez ascent, is clear doping (ie anything under about 42 minutes and 10 seconds)

Nobody's praising Samuel. He was just mentioned in a list of football reporters, of which he is a leading one. Personally I think he's hit and miss at football.

But I agree with you about the cycling - he's one of the most clueless of the journalists that dabble in cycling in July. He's not alone though. There was another one that thought Boasson Hagen should be a Tour GC contender. You wonder if these people even watch cycling.

 

[gooner]

Praise for martin samuel can not go without response on a cycling forum. This is the ****er who got to write a cycling article in the mail, purely because he got some popularity for football columns (not that popularity among football fans should EVER be used to judge how good a "journalist" is) having clearly never been within 3 square miles of a bicycle.

Wrote a bunch of total nonesence including that anything more than 10% better timewise than Hinault Lemonds 1986 Alpe d huez ascent, is clear doping (ie anything under about 42 minutes and 10 seconds)

I didn't praise Martin Samuel. I remember that column and it was a ridiculous one. I was surprised as anyone to see him writing on cycling. I was only contrasting the attention they get as football journalists and it's nothing like we see in comparison to Kimmage and Walsh. When a football game is on, I as a fan don't say, I can't wait to hear what Samuel, Andy Dunn, Martin Lipton, Gabrielle Marcotti and Guillem Balague make of this. This seems to be the polar opposite in cycling where people hang on every word and column by Walsh and Kimmage in a personal way. That's what I mean in that the story is too much about them when it shouldn't be. I have never in all my years watching games around big fans of football hear them say they hold journalists in the sport on a fan, worship, and hero perspective. It would probably be laughed at if one said so. And I include football journalists like Keir Radnedge who has written a fair bit about doping in football in the past.

Walsh writes a column detailing the JTL passport problem, yet there was still a significant discussion about Walsh's penning of the piece which absurdly was overshadowing the main point regarding JTL. I didn't care who penned the piece, just that the info was disclosed should have been the most important factor. For some, it was Walsh's part in it all.

 

[gooner]

Nobody's praising Samuel. He was just mentioned in a list of football reporters, of which he is a leading one. Personally I think he's hit and miss at football.

But I agree with you about the cycling - he's one of the most clueless of the journalists that dabble in cycling in July. He's not alone though. There was another one that thought Boasson Hagen should be a Tour GC contender. You wonder if these people even watch cycling.

This is exactly what I was saying. I don't agree with everything he writes on football either but it can't change the fact he is one of the most well known ones to fans and is respected in football journalism.

Like I said already, I was as surprised as anyone to see him writing about Froome's performance in the Tour.

 

[thehog]

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If a Sky joke offends you as an "independent journalist" then you are clearly no longer independent, and have become Phil Liggett regarding Lance Armstrong, his gold-mine partnering, private jet sharing friend.

Looks a little like Phil. Good times.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Come on girls what hairdressers are you using?

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Tom English has written some stuff about doping in football and in particular wrote one brilliant article contrasting Wenger and Ferguson's stance on doping which painted Ferguson in poor light. Like Kimmage and Walsh he gets a lot of respect for that but I wouldn't say I'm a fan in an emotional sense. I don't see sports journalists in that light. In fact I would keep that status for journalists who cover stories in far more important walks of life.

Link for that,please?

 

[del1962]

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If a Sky joke offends you as an "independent journalist" then you are clearly no longer independent, and have become Phil Liggett regarding Lance Armstrong, his gold-mine partnering, private jet sharing friend.

Walsh is a journalist, not part of Wada, if you judge him this way, you would have to question Kimmage's cosy relationship with Brian O'Driscoll in the same way.

 

[sniper]

Looks a little like Phil. Good times.

walsh hasn't lost his humor after all.
writing an article about the correlation between poverty and doping in kenya, after dining in a five star kenyan restaurant with froome.

 

[Benotti69]

Walsh is a journalist, not part of Wada,

Walsh is capitalising on his anti doping journalism with the Armstrong saga. I dont have a problem with that. He deserves it.

But to do u-turn with Sky is what he is being criticised for. He cant run with the hares and hunt with the hounds and not expect criticism.

if you judge him this way, you would have to question Kimmage's cosy relationship with Brian O'Driscoll in the same way.

Get yourself over to a Rugby forum and ask them?

 

[mattghg]

Tom English: The Growing Crisis in Football

Link for that,please?

Here it is.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Here it is.

Thank you. hgh

 

[sniper]

with Kenya increasingly in the headlines about doping, i'm now better understanding the purpose of Walsh's article about Kenya, doping and poverty.

Limited Hangout.

 

[martinvickers]

with Kenya increasingly in the headlines about doping, i'm now better understanding the purpose of Walsh's article about Kenya, doping and poverty.

Limited Hangout.

very good, sniper ;-)

 

[thehog]

Come on girls what hairdressers are you using?

Hard to find a decent hair stylist in Kenya?

Shrewd work by the Dawg separating Cound & Walsh.

Everyone looks healthy and having a good time. Lots of nice expensive wine in the background. Lovely badzhilla free food.

I look forward to Walsh's articles next year.

Will they be in the food and entertainment section of the Times?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Froome assumes the position of The Don. Will be interesting to see how he handles the (peloton / self) attitudinal shift in 2014 as he goes from underdawg to top dawg.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Will history repeat itself?

Will Walsh sit across from Froome in the private DawgJet and ask, "Did you dope, Chris?", looking him right in the eye?

Time will tell.