Is Walsh on the Sky bandwagon?

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

And so died irony, unmourned.

I miss ''jezus wept'' mv

I forgot to mention Digger's last post, about the double standards.

Martin, real/genuine question now: has Walsh asked why in 2010 for instance Kerrison's training did not work for team sky? A simple yes or no is sufficient.

 

[thehog]

Hitch indeed has hitted the nail once again. Dont buy groupie crap.

I've mangee to read some of the book. Around 100 pages. I couldn't read anymore.

I think the title needs to be changed.

"The Church of Skyentology"

The book is very cultish. Unbelievably so. Walsh repeats at mantra Brailsfords sermons and thoughts on the cult.

I often laughed as Walsh would be describing a key moment with a servere lack of detail. Almost like he wasn't even there!

You get passages like "....and then Brailsford returns from somewhere" - somewhere? This is the Tour! He just returns from somewhere?

It's very vague in parts and a good portion of the book is just explaining or rebutting all of the criticism against Skyentology. But oddly it never really provides reasons or goes into details. It's just a defense of how aggressive the questions were at the Tour and how upset the staff and riders became.

Walsh continually says "if they are doping". I kept reading "if". Walsh is either protecting himself legally or was forced to add in "if" as it appears everywhere. You'd like to think with the access he had that he'd be fairly certain in regards to their cleanliness. But you never get the impression he really knows much else than chatting to Brailsford now and then when he appeared from "somewhere".

If you're a fan you'll love it and get off on it and it proves how amazing Sky are. Like I said its very cultish. If you're a cycling fan of all teams then its just a big w-nk that could be about any team and avoids doping.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

I kept reading "if".

Thats the crux with Walsh and team slick, Walsh always uses the 'if' word, like he is sandbagging for what might come, so he is still on 'the safe side'. Guess he learned from his days when he was a fanboy of the greatest Irish athlete of all time.

Like you, I dont mind Walsh profiting, hell, the man needs an income as well, I just dont like his double standards.

 

[gooner]

If that was the case how did Ligget ever got employed? And how he then continued getting reemployed for decades after.

Or for that matter any of the dozens of sellouts in the Armstrong case, dozens of others in other doping cases, and thousands if we expand beyond sport.

Its a stupid argument from Walsh. Doesn't seem to have thought it through in the slightest. It is not uncommon at all for people who have been employed to sell out. Im not saying Walsh has sold out or not, just that the argument that he couldn't possibly sell out because otherwise he wouldn't have been hired in the first place, is ridiculous given the history of cycling.

Walsh is referring specifically to the top brass at the Sunday Times who he obviously knows all about. He wasn't referring on a wider scale. It's in regards to his own employment.

Walsh continually says "if they are doping". I kept reading "if". Walsh is either protecting himself legally or was forced to add in "if" as it appears everywhere. You'd like to think with the access he had that he'd be fairly certain in regards to their cleanliness. But you never get the impression he really knows much else than chatting to Brailsford now and then when he appeared from "somewhere".

You easily know you haven't finished the book. He has written a lot about Ellingworth and Kerrison. I think while he was impressed with Brailsford, to me it looks like he even more admires them two. He's fully convinced on them. He clearly said it and there wasn't an "if" when he said it. The same goes for Farrell.

 

[gooner]

Kimmage spent a TdF with Garmin. Walsh spent a season with Sky. Slight difference.

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[thehog]

Walsh is referring specifically to the top brass at the Sunday Times who he obviously knows all about. He wasn't referring on a wider scale. It's in regards to his own employment.



You easily know you haven't finished the book. He has written a lot about Ellingworth and Kerrison. I think while he was impressed with Brailsford, to me it looks like he even more admires them two. He's fully convinced on them. He clearly said it and there wasn't an "if" when he said it. The same goes for Farrell.

Of course I didn't finish it. It was too much and I'd have to subscribe to the Crusie/Travolta way of thinking.

I also have a pirate copy which doesn't get to the end!

It's still an "if" on the riders. And he fully buys into the religious overtones of the others without what it appears asking a lot of questions or details. It's hardly forensic.

And so why PK lost his gig. He would have asked or qualified. But Brailsford didn't want anyone being upset or put off their game. So enter polestyer slack wearing, dinner jacket doning Walsh.

Again the book is light. And so it should be. It's the One Direction of cycling books. To flog it to the fans. Not those whom are actually musical.

But as Martin points out. Walsh is a big fan. Maybe if Walsh had access to USPS he would have written the same? Isolating them, freezing out a journalist only makes them write negative things about you. Lessons learned and is say a masterstroke in PR.

We await Katie Holmes to eventually lift the lid in years to come

 

[Benotti69]

Thanks for proving my point.

Not proof of anything. As I said earlier, teams are not going to open the drug cabinet to embedded journalists.

Froome the greatest cyclist of all time!!!!!!!!!!!!Hahahahahaha

 

[the sceptic]

Just reading the free sample. Quick review: piece of ****.

more details.

detective Walsh feels important when he gets his own personal driver from the airport.

sky dont call them soigneurs because this name is too closely associated with doping. This sends a message to the rest of the peloton that sky is different, they are not doping like everyone else. (seriously. lol)

Brailsford is deeply hurt by all the doping questions.

Wiggins almost didnt want to win the tour because he wanted to feel loved instead of getting so many doping questions.

Im almost tempted to read it now for the unintentional comedy, but other than that, this sounds exactly like what I would expect. Very skybot friendly, but anyone with a brain is going to laugh at this stuff.

 

[jens_attacks]

carers=)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

grande pepe carer marti

i will read it all i guess...walsh is always a good laugh

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Just reading the free sample. Quick review: piece of ****.

Link us up septic tank

I am too lazy today to search for myself.

 

[jens_attacks]

oh not again this chimp bullshiit...

 

[the sceptic]

Link us up septic tank

I am too lazy today to search for myself.

http://www.amazon.com/Inside-Team-S...david+walsh+inside+team+sky#reader_B00F8KUJQ2

Enjoy

 

[jens_attacks]

‘Of course it’s a syringe, what kind of syringe is it?’
‘It’s a small syringe.’
Exasperated, the officers pointed to a word on the side of the syringe, Eprex. ‘What’s Eprex?’
‘I don’t know.’
‘You must.’
‘I don’t.’


i'm dying here lol...i want this in a movie

 

[the sceptic]

oh not again this chimp bullshiit...

Jens you gotta release your inner chimp if you want to fully enjoy the book. lol.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

http://www.amazon.com/Inside-Team-S...david+walsh+inside+team+sky#reader_B00F8KUJQ2

Enjoy

Grazie compadre.

 

[jens_attacks]

can't believe ellingworth teared and threw great richard virenque's photo in the garbage can. well no surprise that the sky cars will still get attacked by the people in the mountains next year. arrogance is my name. and i dig my own grave

 

[martinvickers]

I miss ''jezus wept'' mv

My response here was more specific to the comment.

Each phrase is apposite unto its surroundings, FLG. 'Jesus wept' - the shortest verse in the KJB - is more often employed for situations of resounding stupidity, or at least utter circularity of reasoning, although it is a highly versatile wording when needed.

I forgot to mention Digger's last post, about the double standards.

Martin, real/genuine question now: has Walsh asked why in 2010 for instance Kerrison's training work for team sky? A simple yes or no is sufficient.

Well, No.

Presumably because Kerrison didn't start that work until 2011, FGL - 2010 was spent largely watching and recording...

 

[Benotti69]

My response here was more specific to the comment.

Each phrase is apposite unto its surroundings, FLG. 'Jesus wept' - the shortest verse in the KJB - is more often employed for situations of resounding stupidity, or at least utter circularity of reasoning, although it is a highly versatile wording when needed.



Well, No.

Presumably because Kerrison didn't start that work until 2011, FGL - 2010 was spent largely watching and recording...

Kerrison began working with the team in 2009 ahead of its launch.

and a link to boot!

http://www.teamsky.com/profile/0,27291,17543_8342940,00.html

Would Sky lie to us? Of course not.

 

[gooner]

Kerrison began working with the team in 2009 ahead of its launch.

and a link to boot!

http://www.teamsky.com/profile/0,27291,17543_8342940,00.html

And the point Martin made is clearly there.

Kerrison began working with the team in 2009 ahead of its launch, with a first year on the road in 2010 primarily spent observing the intricacies of the sport before working to help create and apply a new coaching structure heading into 2011.

 

[Benotti69]

And the point Martin made is clearly there.

As i said would Sky lie to us?????

They hire a guy to watch for a 2 years and then the miracle in 2011 with Froome?

Yeah of course and Armstrong was only getting training plans from Ferrari!

 

[Digger]

I read the preview part on amazon...you know what, i'm not even angry with walsh anymore...it's just genuinely embarrassing for him and his career...and it's funny.
He became incredibly sanctimonious last year after the lance thing broke.

 

[gooner]

As i said would Sky lie to us?????

They hire a guy to watch for a 2 years and then the miracle in 2011 with Froome?

Yeah of course and Armstrong was only getting training plans from Ferrari!

You tried to pick a hole in a point which clearly was backed up in the link you provided.

You took your own post apart.

 

[Benotti69]

You tried to pick a hole in a point which clearly was backed up in the link you provided.

You took your own post apart.

Sadly not.

Sky rewriting their own PR. I bet that was page was written after 2011 Vuelta.

Froome the greatest cyclist of all time?

I bet Kerrison's 2 years observing Froome was why they wanted to sell him

 

[roundabout]

I'd pay money for a book by jens_attacks. Walsh I am not so sure.

 

[martinvickers]

Kerrison began working with the team in 2009 ahead of its launch.

and a link to boot!

http://www.teamsky.com/profile/0,27291,17543_8342940,00.html

Would Sky lie to us? Of course not.

Really,B, if you're just going to make a fool of yourself, you're better not bothering....

See, FGL, this is where we would use "Jesus Wept".

Edit : I see Gooner beat me to the punch.

Overall, the reaction, and overreaction to this book has been nothing short of hilarious in here this last 24 hours. Grabbing non-existent quotes to parse, reviewing based on free samples, and just general f***wittery really. It's been a gas, lads, honestly. Keep up the good work.