Isaac Del Toro - cracking makes him stronger????

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Aside from pocagar the most ridiculously doped rider I have ever seen, 3 years ago no results and he has now adapted so quickly to the pro level that he for 3 months straight has been at a peak level, dropping the best riders in the world who came from altitude training etc, making them all look amateurs, doing it so easily.

He was doing UCI races for 3 years as a junior and u23 and had not a single notable result. Now gianetti literally turned him into one of the highest level riders ever seen.
 
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Literally skipped the part where your presence is good for a race and instead metastasized to 1.1 races immediately.

Even if he were the most exciting talent in the sport, being on an infinite deal with UAE should kill that excitement entirely.
 
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Aside from pocagar the most ridiculously doped rider I have ever seen, 3 years ago no results and he has now adapted so quickly to the pro level that he for 3 months straight has been at a peak level, dropping the best riders in the world who came from altitude training etc, making them all look amateurs, doing it so easily.

He was doing UCI races for 3 years as a junior and u23 and had not a single notable result. Now gianetti literally turned him into one of the highest level riders ever seen.
I guess his 2023 results do not count for some reason.

It's obvious that what he is doing is not normal at all, but trying to rewrite history as if he were someone like Froome is just wrong
 
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I guess his 2023 results do not count for some reason.

It's obvious that what he is doing is not normal at all, but trying to rewrite history as if he were someone like Froome is just wrong
Wasn't l'Avenir after he'd already signed for UAE?
 
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I guess his 2023 results do not count for some reason.

It's obvious that what he is doing is not normal at all, but trying to rewrite history as if he were someone like Froome is just wrong
Not to mention that in 2022, the guy broke his femur, ruptured an artery, and lost a massive amount of blood after crashing during training. He almost died, but the dude on the message board is angry because he didn't get results.
 
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Aside from pocagar the most ridiculously doped rider I have ever seen, 3 years ago no results and he has now adapted so quickly to the pro level that he for 3 months straight has been at a peak level, dropping the best riders in the world who came from altitude training etc, making them all look amateurs, doing it so easily.

He was doing UCI races for 3 years as a junior and u23 and had not a single notable result. Now gianetti literally turned him into one of the highest level riders ever seen.
The evidence included in your post is what kills bike racing. And math skills and ability to use a calendar might be additional excellent references on your post.
Del Toro is part of a strange group, as you didn't point out, he is 21 years old and has been subjected to rule restrictions for WT riders who are U23 to all but be disqualified from U23 races.
As far as your description of Del Toro's race chronology it's all available for people to read.
Del Toro was funded by Monex in 2021, worked on housing, visas, and travel, almost no European based activity. Monex- Mexico house,race funding was primarily March thru July.
Your out of the blue negative spin is clearly false. Your post reflects maybe some limited knowledge of Mexican racing, Mexican funded teams and development teams. Del Toro's 2023 had him get 4 top tens in his first 6 races, and many of his results outside top spots were finishing in large groups.
Del Toro was racing excellent as he entered l'Avenier were he had a series of top 10s including a single stage win. His decent TT and consistency secured his GC win. Zero to do with UAE or anyone associated with the team, including Gianetti.

Another bit of irony, Del Toro was invited to ride with UAE for a few days before signing, surely some influence technique used to impress young prospects.
The first people that Del Toro met on his brief time with Team UAE were Marc Hirschi and Finn Fisher- Black.Who were both the subject of team transfers.
So if Isaac asked either how they like riding with UAE both probably said it's good, which in Del Toro's young mind.. Then why are they leaving?

And your timeline of Gainetti magic is also highly flawed. Del Toro was on a consistent track of improvement both his first and second years as a pro. His first year was outstanding, with 3 wins and a solid result at Vuelta. Again your description is flawed , Del Toro showing good form was selected for support not leadership in 2025. As a result of shared training rides, Pogacar had Del Toro help, not lead in Strade Bianchi ( 2024,25)and Juan Ayuso had Del Toro to work for Giro campaign.
Del Toro never selected as the designated leader in the races.
Ayuso crashed, Del Toro lingered, team thought short term and encouraged Del Toro to chase , he did, successfully.
Del Toro thrust accidentally into leadership role, completely random, no Gianetti calculation of any kind.
UAE demanded that young Del Toro stay on message, which he did semi effectively. Del Toro was unconvincing telling media that Ayuso was still team leader, despite Del Toro in superior position.
UAE took the unusual step to reinforce team message and unity by having team director with Del Toro at media after the races. Both men repeated that Juan Ayuso was the leader.
Juan had sucky post crash form, and Ayuso was attacked by bees and bad attitude and abandoned his Giro.
UAE went all in for Isaac who punched above his weight and defended the jersey and had some great individual efforts, and significantly was told by riders like Wout Van Aert, you are really good. Rafal Majka yelling at Del Toro, you belong here, you can do this. Majka saying something to the effect, I have been around and you are good enough to mix it up with any of these guys, but you have to ride and think that way.
Del Toro is still getting volume and in need of depth.. He has been effective inside 200k and unproven in races that are longer.
Any portrayal that Isaac is some pin cushion, needled up freak created by mad scientists from UAE is absurd.
And data is available.. Del Toro has done 2 grand tours in 2 years, didn't win either. All his results are from shorter races and media hype that he has arrived is BS.
Del Toro tried to trade blows with Pogacar a few times in last weeks, he was toasted in Kigali and couldn't keep pace when Tadej jumped in Tres Valli, Del Toro accepted tow truck ride as others tried to chase broken away Tadej,
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settled for 8th place
Any kind of out of nowhere is a cool narrative but Del Toro has been working hard for years. He will be world gravel champion in next 3 years..

It's a bizarre and all too common, too easy for people to yell doping. There are too many science fictions, like if you drink alcohol you will crash your car, fight everyone, lose your job..people do it and find out all the spooky scary science stories are false.
Same with many drugs like pot..folklore said if you do it you will go crazy, lose your mind, reefer madness, people do it..find out it's mostly science fiction not scientific fact.
.And self pleasure will cause you to go blind, we all know that's not true either. I add your accusations that Pogacar and Del Toro are gassed to the gills because you say so as just additional science fiction not science, not fact.
Calling Del Toro a doper is your right, go for it, but it's just more respectful to include some facts instead of feelings when accusing people of serious, serious crimes.
Wasn't l'Avenir after he'd already signed for UAE?
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Not to mention that in 2022, the guy broke his femur, ruptured an artery, and lost a massive amount of blood after crashing during training. He almost died, but the dude on the message board is angry because he didn't get results.
He also injured his hand and wrist when he was scheduled to race gravel worlds. Now that Isaac's season has shot to the moon from Giro opportunity he has gravel on the back burner. I don't think Isaac is as good as Pidcock or MVP in their side jobs but I hope he would pursue it sometime.
With 18 wins in 2 seasons, probably not a priority.
 
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His results prior to the crash weren't exactly great.
An 18yo guy who barely competed in road bike races is moving 10,000 kilometers away from home to ride for an amateur Mexican team in San Marino. I doubt those three and a half months have much significance in 2022.

Just to be clear, there are a bunch of guys here who are convinced that Gianetti saw a random 18yo Mexican guy with "not-so-great results" and decided to dope him up to smash the U23 field. Seriously, how ridiculously stupid does that sound?
 
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Del Toro is only really ridiculous because of the calendar he rides (and that he rides for UAE).

Yes, UAE have reached and pushed the dope frontier, but the overall trajectory of Del Toro is broadly in line with a big talent getting access to the good stuff.
 
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An 18yo guy who barely competed in road bike races is moving 10,000 kilometers away from home to ride for an amateur Mexican team in San Marino. I doubt those three and a half months have much significance in 2022.

Just to be clear, there are a bunch of guys here who are convinced that Gianetti saw a random 18yo Mexican guy with "not-so-great results" and decided to dope him up to smash the U23 field. Seriously, how ridiculously stupid does that sound?
Well, if Pogacar and Del Toro have no or not great results for U23, not sure who is qualified to have a good U23 result at all.

It's pretty obvious that what the UAE is doing, they have the highest budget with full(?) protection, so they can go after the best prospects and put them into the best program
 
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Del Toro is only really ridiculous because of the calendar he rides (and that he rides for UAE).

Yes, UAE have reached and pushed the dope frontier, but the overall trajectory of Del Toro is broadly in line with a big talent getting access to the good stuff.
Also, end of season levels are typically considerably lower than early/mid season, and so he won't need a crazy level to dominate the lesser races.
 
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The most doped rider in the world is back
It's always strange to watch a tectonic responsibility shift.
Anger is good, normal.
But anger at a rider(s) who are successful, again normal, envy, is age old.
If someone is a doper, if a team (s) are systematically using doping to succeed, that responsibility is with the governing body..the UCI.
Isaac Del Toro won his first pro race on his first day as a professional racer in 2022 in Australia in January of that year. Del Toro has 22 wins in his first 2 seasons, starting his 3 season today, he started his 3rd year by winning a chaotic sprint by less than a bike length.
Take yourself seriously, if Del Toro is gassed to the gills as you claim ( without evidence) the responsibility for testing him is worldwide..
He has won everywhere..
Only thing in common is UCI. Why are they not doing their job ?
Tadej Pogacar is making history and in parallel people belly aching to anyone and everyone, everywhere..
Look there is blatant, in your face doping!..and it on has 2 real arguing angles, either don't see it, can't detect it or they absolutely see it and are in collusion to ignore and allow it.
What does Del Toro have to do with any of that? Nothing.
If Isaac is cheating over multiple years in multiple continents and it's obvious to you and others where is your outrage at the system? Outrage at UCI for total neglect of responsibility.
The reason that cycling is in this state is because the UCI was not honest and transparent with the public. After Armstrong, they didn't come to public and simply say, here's what went wrong, here's what we are doing to ensure it doesn't happen again, here's what we are doing to restore or gain your confidence. UCI has done absolutely nothing towards those ends. They never even answered the accusations from Team Armstrong that Pat McQuaid and Hein Verbruggen were complicit.. Nothing of substance ever happened.. Fast forward.. Riders can't win, lose, retire without doping clouding everything.
Del Toro is being soiled by haters and the UCI is completely silent instead assuring all that he is being thoroughly tested and is clean.. Del Toro can only win races, let his legs and actions dictate. He can't win public internet courtroom were he can't prove his innocence. He is being wisely advised not to take hate bait and respond.
 
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It's always strange to watch a tectonic responsibility shift.
Anger is good, normal.
But anger at a rider(s) who are successful, again normal, envy, is age old.
If someone is a doper, if a team (s) are systematically using doping to succeed, that responsibility is with the governing body..the UCI.
Isaac Del Toro won his first pro race on his first day as a professional racer in 2022 in Australia in January of that year. Del Toro has 22 wins in his first 2 seasons, starting his 3 season today, he started his 3rd year by winning a chaotic sprint by less than a bike length.
Take yourself seriously, if Del Toro is gassed to the gills as you claim ( without evidence) the responsibility for testing him is worldwide..
He has won everywhere..
Only thing in common is UCI. Why are they not doing their job ?
Tadej Pogacar is making history and in parallel people belly aching to anyone and everyone, everywhere..
Look there is blatant, in your face doping!..and it on has 2 real arguing angles, either don't see it, can't detect it or they absolutely see it and are in collusion to ignore and allow it.
What does Del Toro have to do with any of that? Nothing.
If Isaac is cheating over multiple years in multiple continents and it's obvious to you and others where is your outrage at the system? Outrage at UCI for total neglect of responsibility.
The reason that cycling is in this state is because the UCI was not honest and transparent with the public. After Armstrong, they didn't come to public and simply say, here's what went wrong, here's what we are doing to ensure it doesn't happen again, here's what we are doing to restore or gain your confidence. UCI has done absolutely nothing towards those ends. They never even answered the accusations from Team Armstrong that Pat McQuaid and Hein Verbruggen were complicit.. Nothing of substance ever happened.. Fast forward.. Riders can't win, lose, retire without doping clouding everything.
Del Toro is being soiled by haters and the UCI is completely silent instead assuring all that he is being thoroughly tested and is clean.. Del Toro can only win races, let his legs and actions dictate. He can't win public internet courtroom were he can't prove his innocence. He is being wisely advised not to take hate bait and respond.
What's this language that looks like English but makes no sense.
 
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What's this language that looks like English but makes no sense.
Here's another version
If Del Toro is a doper, offer proof
Same with Pogacar, any proof
Won't say same for UAE with Soler winning not soon after rough up about his dad driving around for drugs or with drug dealers, bad look
UCI is completely wrong in everything that they do and say, or don't do, don't say.
Sport has a corrosion element from within and UCI is doing nothing ( outwardly)
Cycling fans and public in general see bike racing as a synonym for drugs, drug use, cheating, corruption, incompetent.
If the sport is clean, say so, if you are doing effective drug testing say so, if the UCI is trying to relay these messages to the public, they are not getting the message. Can't be hundreds of videos and internet entries about cheating \ doping that go unanswered. There are those who will not take yes for an answer, I get it, haters are going to hate regardless. Hate and questioning the cleanliness of bike racing is a business, a cult.
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IjGhfb64OnY
 
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I am going to start questioning the authenticity of Girl Scouts and cookies they sell me because they could be buying them from a wholesaler and wearing a fake uniform just to trick and exploit me.
Nothing is real, nothing can be trusted.
No matter how many times I could revisit it, I find nothing unreasonable about expecting the UCI to defend the sport, the riders, themselves in public.
I am not saying take out full page newspaper ads, not saying World Cup or Super Bowl commercials to bring to public's attention, that despite what people have heard, read, seen, cycling is a clean sport.
The UCI could start by asking Cycling News for example to do public relations pieces about doping detection and prevention strategies being used by UCI.

The UCI has to see that much of the positive momentum from things like TDF, Giro, World Championships, popular riders like Pogacar, Del Toro, Onley, Girmay are being nullified by deep, ugly reputation for doping and the inability to detect or deal with it. Bike racing in a constant state of treading water because of it's reputation and the people responsible for portrayal in public.
View: https://m.youtube.com/shorts/YK7XfX9XORY