Isaac Del Toro thread

[Lequack]

The Mexican Hirschi?

The Mexican Pog.

 

[Unchained]

UAE with Del Toro and Almeida against Vingegaard in the Giro. This would be interesting.
I think Del Toro is the next big thing in cycling, he just needs to wait for Pogacar's retirement to win the TdF.

I don't know the formula used with age and experience, but UAE like other teams has younger riders only do prep races and one grand tour. Del Toro did Vuelta his first year and Giro this year. It would not surprise me if Pogacar required his services at TDF given Del Toro showing good form in 3 week events. UAE has big shoes to fill with Rafel Majka retirement and he went out really really flying in all the races he did. I personally don't know who his replacement is.. don't think Jan Christian is showing great skills yet and Jhonatan Narvaez is really good and reliable but is he the climbing equivalent of Majka.. Will be interesting to see where Del Toro fits with Juan Ayuso's exit. Curious to see if UAE will want to show Del Toro off at UAE tour next year.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

It will be a very different race compared to anything he's done before.
The only Monument he's ridden is Milano - Sanremo (2024 + 2025) which is way easier and I think very suited to his skillset. He has zero experience in LBL / AGR / Lombardia.

Plus, he started training as a pro not longer than 2 years ago. Accumulated training volume can make a difference when we're talking about these super hard races. I reckon we should view this as a learing experience for Del Toro. If he manages to get a good result that's a plus.

I would say he's performing salto di qualita this year (as one infamous doctor said years ago) and can be kinda unpredictable in this race. It's about wheather he has the engine for a 6+ hours hard classic race and who knows, maybe the answer is yes.

 

[LongtimeLurker]

I hope he does a Pidcock and becomes a leader in the mountains

Fans and supporters and including himself, Pidcock should hope he does a Del Toro.

 

[Lequack]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1966145059541164439

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[Cycling111]

12 wins this season, getting closer to Pogacar. This guy is killing Mickey Mouse races. Can he threaten big boys at the WC?

Dusan Rajovic is closer to Pogacar in victories

 

[YavorD]

The Mexican Pog.

The Mexican Valverde perhaps.

 

[Cycling111]

It will be a very different race compared to anything he's done before.
The only Monument he's ridden is Milano - Sanremo (2024 + 2025) which is way easier and I think very suited to his skillset. He has zero experience in LBL / AGR / Lombardia.

Plus, he started training as a pro not longer than 2 years ago. Accumulated training volume can make a difference when we're talking about these super hard races. I reckon we should view this as a learing experience for Del Toro. If he manages to get a good result that's a plus.

San Sebastian is the toughest one-day race he has ever don as a leader. He didn't do as well as in these

 

[primoz]

And that's why he gets my vote in ,,most overrated'' poll. Del Toro beats few Scaronis and some people expect him to challange Pogi.

 

[Cycling111]

And that's why he gets my vote in ,,most overrated'' poll. Del Toro beats few Scaronis and some people expect him to challange Pogi.

For now, another Ayuso and Almeida. He's better than most cyclists, but he hasn't beaten anyone "important".
Ayuso and Almeida were signed to win GTs; they haven't taken that step forward yet. Ayuso is leaving the team without achieving that.

We'll see if Del Toro manages to win a GT or Monument or if he is another Ayuso, winning on easier calendars.

 

[red_flanders]

He beat a few important folks getting second in the Giro.

 

[Red Rick]

The Mexican Valverde perhaps.

Best fit so far.

 

[Cycling111]

He beat a few important folks getting second in the Giro.

Yes, that's more than Ayuso and Almeida had achieved (Almeida until this Vuelta).

But from second place to winning, there's a significant step. Many fall by the wayside.

Today, I'd say that Del Toro seems better than Ayuso, but when the UAE signed Ayuso and he competed in his first Vuelta, the same comments were made.

Ayuso is very good, but not by the standards they signed him for and claimed. Winning the GTs the team sent him to because Pogacar isn't going. He hasn't proven capable of dominating a GT.

Del Toro has had a promising GT; we'll see if, unlike Ayuso, he takes the next step.

 

[red_flanders]

I don’t find him similar to Ayuso in any way. I think the guy is a star, and I think he’s got more ceiling than Ayuso…but a rider with different talents and very different attitude and approach.

I’m interested in far more than GT’s.

 

[AlfaLum]

I don’t find him similar to Ayuso in any way. I think the guy is a star, and I think he’s got more ceiling than Ayuso…but a rider with different talents and very different attitude and approach.

I’m interested in far more than GT’s.

Very much agreed, I think there are only two big similarities why the comparison between Del Toro and Ayuso is often made, they are both young and they are both riding for UAE at present.

I think of you look at the type of rider Del Toro is there is only one comparison possible. Del Toro is a good climber, very explosive, very versatile even on other types of terrain. And I think even the way he rides and handles his bike looks similar to one other person in the peloton.

But that is also a comparison that should never be made currently because that other rider is the best cyclist the world has seen over the past couple of decades and likely even in its whole history.

Now i think he big question is in the numbers. If Del Toro is capable of improving his in the different zones while maintaining his explosiveness we definitely have another monster on our hands. If we will ever be allowed to make the comparison that is currently out of bounds for me depends on degree to which these improvements can be realized.

 

[Cycling111]

I don’t find him similar to Ayuso in any way. I think the guy is a star, and I think he’s got more ceiling than Ayuso…but a rider with different talents and very different attitude and approach.

I’m interested in far more than GT’s.

Remember what was said about Ayuso in 2022, especially after the Vuelta.

Del Toro is having more impact due to his victories, but it's also true that Ayuso didn't have the same schedule as Del Toro has been doing since the Giro. Ayuso, at that time, would surely have also won what Del Toro is winning.

I do see many similarities. We'll see if Del Toro wins in bigger races next year and doesn't stagnate in GT like Ayuso.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Del Toro made a huge leap this year and I believe he will make another one next year. This dude is the next GT winner outside of Pogacar and Vingegaard.

 

[AlfaLum]

Del Toro made a huge leap this year and I believe he will make another one next year. This dude is the next GT winner outside of Pogacar and Vingegaard.

Del Toro and then Seixas

 

[Cycling111]

Del Toro and then Seixas

Let's give Seixas time. Some said he'd win the Avenir easily, by a huge margin.

Ayuso dominated his Girino with astonishing ease; he was the next Indurain, and today we'll see if he wins a Tour.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Del Toro and then Seixas

I'm yet to see Seixas. Let him grow. His win in Avenir wasn't dominant IMO.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Last finisher today, career over

 

[Cycling111]

By the way, did anyone see today's race? Did Del Toro decide to rest or did he have any incidents?

 

[AlfaLum]

I'm yet to see Seixas. Let him grow. His win in Avenir wasn't dominant IMO.

Of course we have to give him time and let him grow. But just like with Del Toro I see something special in Seixas.

He was not completely fit in Avenir and still won at as an 18 year old. Great Climber, very good TTer and reasonable explosiveness. Just a very complete GC package.

 

[yaco]

By the way, did anyone see today's race? Did Del Toro decide to rest or did he have any incidents?

Over-raced. Check his calendar for the last 10 days.