Isaac Del Toro thread

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I want to like Del Toro, but he really needs to go to another team. Too many of the "big" one day races that suit him also suit Pogacar, and until Pogacar declines, he won't get a chance to race them as leader, which seems like a ridiculous waste to me. I know it's all about the money, but surely there are other teams that could have afforded to pay Del Toro a very good salary. He didn't need to sign an extension until 2059 or whenever he's locked himself in to.
SB and Lombardia are the only ones that "suit" him, out of the "big" ones, but so it does for a lot of riders. Riding for the best team now and in the future is his best chance at winning them. Pog or no Pog.

Other one-day races he will get more than enough chances to win. Just look at last season. He led the team for about 10-15 of them.
 
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SB and Lombardia are the only ones that "suit" him, out of the "big" ones, but so it does for a lot of riders. Riding for the best team now and in the future is his best chance at winning them. Pog or no Pog.

Other one-day races he will get more than enough chances to win. Just look at last season. He led the team for about 10-15 of them.
LBL? Possibly Flanders?
 
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I want to like Del Toro, but he really needs to go to another team. Too many of the "big" one day races that suit him also suit Pogacar, and until Pogacar declines, he won't get a chance to race them as leader, which seems like a ridiculous waste to me. I know it's all about the money, but surely there are other teams that could have afforded to pay Del Toro a very good salary. He didn't need to sign an extension until 2059 or whenever he's locked himself in to.
My opinion is pretty much exactly the opposite. Isaac is 22 years old, already has 24 pro wins, has done 2 grand tours finished on the podium at one. He is being tested consistently, constantly. He has a Mexican sensibility that serves him well. He is relaxed gets emotional like anyone but it's tempered. His English is marginal, but even in the brief interview he does post Strade he mentions that Tadej " gives me space ". For Del Toro to go to another team to win more, be designated leadership would really just be another side of the same coin. He currently has the best riders to learn from, get advice from, see perspectives from winners.. Yates, Vine, Wellens, Almedia, Pogacar..he could choose to race against them instead of with and for them.. But what is the net benefit? Marginal at best. Not just Mexicans but many Northerners live by.... ..if it's not broken don't fix it.....everything is going great for Del Toro and looking for greener pastures is a thing but he has a good attitude, great support system and is surrounded by guys who enjoy going to work everyday at UAE. General public might think that Isaac has outgrown UAE or is being held back but he doesn't feel that way.
Something a bit more subtle, UAE was confident and happy with Del Toro, enough to increase his pay and extend his contract until 2029. I am not throwing shade at Juan Ayuso but I think when Del Toro shakes hands and makes a promise after detailed conversations, he will keep his word.
 
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I could understand not sprinting but what would be the point of dropping with almost 1 km to go?
View: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DVirPKjiAzy/?igsh=ZnVtN3ptdTRkNmJl

A couple of things here, either deltoro wanted to save energy for the big goal of tirreno which starts with a TT on monday or he wanted to respect seixas b/c he has been angering him for 80 kms. I don’t think he even put the same effort as the giro stage☝️

+ I tried to analyze the final climb with a timer from the last corner before the final wall to the finish. pog had 1:43, seixas(b/c of no tv coverage I had to use his time gap to pog before the wall) & he was 13 secs faster than pog at 1:30 & deltoro had 1:40, 10 secs slower than seixas and 3secs faster than pog. The intersting thing is Deltoro at last years giro did 1:21 while doing a lot more work on the front than he did yesterday which objectively explains both deltoro & pog deliberately eased up to the finish.
 
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If UAE want to sign Seixas at the end of 2027 then likely del Toro won't stay and will sign for a different team.
There is no other team.. And if rumors are true and Ineos is going to be rolling in cash, would they really want to spend @$4-5 million in payoff penalty to sign Isaac and then give him a bigger salary that would make it worth it to him? Del Toro has a contract until 2029..much cheaper, easier for UAE is to extend the contract again and tempt young Isaac with the security and piece of mind.
 
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MvdP put on a show today, Del Toro went as deep as humanly possible today, he took monster pulls to extend the gap, super intelligent racing and an awesome effort in the sprint. Isaac is probably wondering if he will ever win in a city center plaza! Lol. To lose to Wout or MvdP is no shame performance. Great ride by all 3
 
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At some point Isaac won't want to work for Pogi any more, hence i doubt he woudl be OK working for Seixas. If Seixas can develop further i doubt he would be prepared to work for either. So all three in the same team, due to the money i guess it could happen, but somehow i doubt it.
 
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At some point Isaac won't want to work for Pogi any more, hence i doubt he woudl be OK working for Seixas. If Seixas can develop further i doubt he would be prepared to work for either. So all three in the same team, due to the money i guess it could happen, but somehow i doubt it.

Del Toro is fine about working for Pog now but Seixas incoming would mean the Mexican leaving the team. Too many top guys to please.
 
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At some point Isaac won't want to work for Pogi any more, hence i doubt he woudl be OK working for Seixas. If Seixas can develop further i doubt he woudl be prepared to work for either. So all three in the same team, due to the money i guess it could happen, but somehow i doubt it.
What you are saying makes perfect sense if Pogacar was that ambitious. As both guys have said they feel like there is room on the team for both. Del Toro is going to create a tactical minefield at the TDF for other teams if he can maintain his form. Teams will have multiple riders on UAE that must be chased down every time.. Again your point is valid, the slight difference is no conflict between Tadej and Isaac and if other teams assume that UAE is all Pogacar all the time, that thinking would be a trap.
 
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Del Toro is fine about working for Pog now but Seixas incoming would mean the Mexican leaving the team. Too many top guys to please.
I dont think so.

Pog will get older eventually, nobody escapes that.

Ayuso has left, so there is room for another future leader.

Almeida and A. Yates will get older as well. Contracts run until 2028. A. Yates is already approaching elder statesman and potentially entering Majka-role for the younger guys.

So I think there will still be plenty of races to divide between them, if it were to happen in the future or even work together here and there. It depends a lot on the attitudes and egos of the riders. The team culture and camaraderie.
 
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I dont think so.

Pog will get older eventually, nobody escapes that.

Ayuso has left, so there is room for another future leader.

Almeida and A. Yates will get older as well. Contracts run until 2028. A. Yates is already approaching elder statesman and potentially entering Majka-role for the younger guys.

So I think there will still be plenty of races to divide between them, if it were to happen in the future or even work together here and there. It depends a lot on the attitudes and egos of the riders. Team culture and camaraderie.

Pogacar is 27 yo and still has a few prime years. How long do you think Del Toro will want to wait? If Seixas joins then the Tour leader may never be an option for the Mexican: the team will gradually transition from Pogacar to Seixas. It's also likely that Pogacar (after getting to 5 or 6 Tour wins) will focus more on classics and Vuelta (missing pieces of his crown) so Del Toro won't be the leader there as well.
 
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Del Toro is fine about working for Pog now but Seixas incoming would mean the Mexican leaving the team. Too many top guys to please.

He is fine working for Pogi for now.

What you are saying makes perfect sense if Pogacar was that ambitious. As both guys have said they feel like there is room on the team for both. Del Toro is going to create a tactical minefield at the TDF for other teams if he can maintain his form. Teams will have multiple riders on UAE that must be chased down every time.. Again your point is valid, the slight difference is no conflict between Tadej and Isaac and if other teams assume that UAE is all Pogacar all the time, that thinking would be a trap.

If UAE will start to favour del Toro then Pogi will sign for another team.

Ayuso has left, so there is room for another future leader.

Ayuso left because he would never be a leader at UAE.

Pogacar is 27 yo and still has a few prime years. How long do you think Del Toro will want to wait?

If i would have to guess, then max two years, likely less, or he will decline.

If Seixas joins then the Tour leader may never be an option for the Mexican: the team will gradually transition from Pogacar to Seixas. It's also likely that Pogacar (after getting to 5 or 6 Tour wins) will focus more on classics and Vuelta (missing pieces of his crown) so Del Toro won't be the leader there as well.

Indeed.
 
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Pogacar is 27 yo and still has a few prime years. How long do you think Del Toro will want to wait? If Seixas joins then the Tour leader may never be an option for the Mexican: the team will gradually transition from Pogacar to Seixas. It's also likely that Pogacar (after getting to 5 or 6 Tour wins) will focus more on classics and Vuelta (missing pieces of his crown) so Del Toro won't be the leader there as well.
What do mean wait? He is already leading plenty of races.

There are three GTs and plenty of stage-races + one-day races to target. They have managed quite well with all the leaders and good riders they have had so far to get everyone in leadership opportunities.

I dont think this is an issue really. Especially as others may leave or retire in the next 2-3 years.
 
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I dont think so.

Pog will get older eventually, nobody escapes that.

Ayuso has left, so there is room for another future leader.

Almeida and A. Yates will get older as well. Contracts run until 2028. A. Yates is already approaching elder statesman and potentially entering Majka-role for the younger guys.

So I think there will still be plenty of races to divide between them, if it were to happen in the future or even work together here and there. It depends a lot on the attitudes and egos of the riders. The team culture and camaraderie.
These are all excellent points, you could add that not only father time is an issue but mentally Tadej could change his life substantially by tapering his training away from two grand tour GC objectives and go after smaller races and still win without putting himself through such intensity for TDF for example. People are obsessed with finishing and some riders would be better served by quality racing instead of quantity. If Remco went to the TDF with either no intention of finishing or contesting the GC he could race completely different. If Tadej or Remco go off the back, put their hands on top and just sit up the media would go crazy, but what if that was a strategy.. Instead of trying to do great everyday, just go after stage wins and take pleasure ride to make the cut. I can't imagine what kind of power Pogacar would produce if he knew he was only doing @10 days of the TDF and didn't need to save anything, race as hard as he wants and not divide his energy for all 3 weeks.
People are having a hard time with Pogacar helping Del Toro win instead of the other way around. It's likely to happen before he retires.
 
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