Isaac Del Toro thread

[AlfaLum]

His expression is deceiving. He didn't do more because he couldn't, just like on San Valentino when he was overtaken by Carapaz and Simon and on Finestre.
It seems that he doesn't suffer when he's suffering, like on San Valentino when he seemed well but he wasn't.

Lipowitz was stronger today; he had a teammate, but Del Toro pull more than him.
If anyone deserves criticism today, it's Lipowitz and Red Bull for performing without sense.
I don't think today is the right day to criticize Del Toro. This guy isn't a climber. I doubt he'll win a Grand Tour; he'll need a year with very weak competition in a Giro like last year or a easy Vuelta.

A decadent Adam Yates will be Pogacar's best domestique in the Tour. This guy has limited climbing ability, like the best punchers. He might have good days in mountain, but bad days will be more frequent in the high mountains.

He has done very well on these types of effort before. Maybe he lacks something in the high mountains, i am not sure, but these type of finishes are definitely not a weakness for Del Toro.

He just doesnt look in his best shape. His time trial was below his best and this stage as well. It can happen, he is a 22 year old.

For me personally it is good that we have some stars in the peloton who are out of shape from time to time. The riders that are capable of maintaining top form the entire season still feel a bit well weird to me.

 

[SorelyBoy]

He has done very well on these types of effort before. Maybe he lacks something in the high mountains, i am not sure, but these type of finishes are definitely not a weakness for Del Toro.

He just doesnt look in his best shape. His time trial was below his best and this stage as well. It can happen, he is a 22 year old.

For me personally it is good that we have some stars in the peloton who are out of shape from time to time. The rider that is capable of maintaining top form the entire season still feels a bit well weird to me.

Fixed it for you. And it feels weird because it is unprecedented. And weird.

 

[Coppi-Bartali]

He has done very well on these types of effort before. Maybe he lacks something in the high mountains, i am not sure, but these type of finishes are definitely not a weakness for Del Toro.

He just doesnt look in his best shape. His time trial was below his best and this stage as well. It can happen, he is a 22 year old.

For me personally it is good that we have some stars in the peloton who are out of shape from time to time. The riders that are capable of maintaining top form the entire season still feel a bit well weird to me.

Del Toro's average level in time trials is mediocre.

He may be out of form in this race, but this guy isn't a climber. He's a puncher who can hold his own on the climbs against second-tier rivals like decadent Simon and Carapaz. Another Ayuso, top puncheur, not top climber. The can win mountain stage in a good day, but that doesn't make them great climbers.

 

[Peyresourde]

Del Toro has his limitations (not enough watts and bad aerodynamics), but he is still easily a top 10 rider in the world. Right now, his peak of form has simply passed, otherwise he would have been second today.

Other riders like Johannessen and Tiberi on a similar track (UAE+Tirreno) are even worse here.

 

[Netserk]

Does not seem to be in a great shape so only fair he did not do too much work?

issue wasnt the amount , but the manner

 

[Netserk]

Lipowitz was stronger today; he had a teammate, but Del Toro pull more than him.
If anyone deserves criticism today, it's Lipowitz and Red Bull for performing without sense.

look at the result , nothing to blame redbull for

cycling is not a pulling contest , and del toro pulled all wrong today

 

[jono]

look at the result , nothing to blame redbull for

cycling is not a pulling contest , and del toro pulled all wrong today

Based on the opinions expressed in these forums it is not simply the case that "cycling is not a pulling contest", it is in fact a "not-pulling contest" and those that take a few measly pulls fully deserve whatever misfortune comes their way.

 

[the asian]

Crashed and abandoned Itzulia.

 

[canina82]

Crashed and abandoned Itzulia.

Only $hit, I was looking forward to see him in FW. I hope he is not hurt.

 

[Coppi-Bartali]

Leg injuries are the worst for a cyclist. Let's hope it's not serious injury.

 

[Unchained]

It can't go without some mention, I do all the time, UAE riders have been involved in too many crashes this year, Del Toro now injured after falling, but his other crashes resulted in little to nothing and he was up and riding. The only rider who has avoided injury is Pogacar. The team is pretty beat up

 

[canina82]

It can't go without some mention, I do all the time, UAE riders have been involved in too many crashes this year, Del Toro now injured after falling, but his other crashes resulted in little to nothing and he was up and riding. The only rider who has avoided injury is Pogacar. The team is pretty beat up

Every team has a bad year. As long as Pogacar isn't hurt, they are fine

 

[Unchained]

Every team has a bad year. As long as Pogacar isn't hurt, they are fine

Completely untrue about status of UAE..Wellens, Navarez, Christen, Del Toro,Jay Vine, @3-4 others back within 2-3_weeks. Pogacar was hurt, multiple times. He has fallen really hard and not suffered serious injuries, nobody can be that lucky for years at a time..

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There are people who keep track of the details for the rest of us.. Lol

 

[canina82]

Completely untrue about status of UAE..Wellens, Navarez, Christen, Del Toro,Jay Vine, @3-4 others back within 2-3_weeks. Pogacar was hurt, multiple times. He has fallen really hard and not suffered serious injuries, nobody can be that lucky for years at a time..

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There are people who keep track of the details for the rest of us.. Lol

I didn't understand a thing about your post. What were you trying to say exactly?

 

[Unchained]

I didn't understand a thing about your post. What were you trying to say exactly?

That you are incorrect, UAE has more riders injured than any other WT team. I was pointing out that Pogacar is last of his kind on UAE, he has crashed over and over, TDF, Strade, ect but has defied the odds and got away with no serious injuries. UAE is in a state of decline because of injuries to key riders. While others like Almedia are falling short of expectations.
And yes your point of all teams have crashes or bad years is spot on.
UAE placing lots of importance on Del Toro for this season.

 

[canina82]

That you are incorrect, UAE has more riders injured than any other WT team. I was pointing out that Pogacar is last of his kind on UAE, he has crashed over and over, TDF, Strade, ect but has defied the odds and got away with no serious injuries. UAE is in a state of decline because of injuries to key riders. While others like Almedia are falling short of expectations.
And yes your point of all teams have crashes or bad years is spot on.
UAE placing lots of importance on Del Toro for this season.

I am incorrect? For saying UAE is fine because Tadej is fine? This is very easy to explain, Pogacar is the only rider in UAE able to win big things so even if they have been unlucky with so many injured riders, they still have their king intact and they still can target big races and actually win them.
Even the best Almeida ever would not win the Giro. Wellens and Narvaez would not win important classics. Their role was to help Pogacar in monuments and Pogacar still didn't need them.
In the end of the season, UAE will still be the best team because they won:
3-5 monuments
1 TdF
3 major one week races
1 WCRR (not them but a rider from their team)
1 ECRR

And let's see the Vuelta.
I don't think they will be sad. But of course it's a bad year when we talk about health. They seem like Visma in 2024.