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Ivan Basso Wins by 2 Minutes on Monte Zoncolan

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Maxiton said:
They don't climb like they have the same coach. They don't even climb like they're on the same mountain.

Google Sassi + Evans + Basso. You should find a report where Sassi was interviewed before last years Vuelta. He said they are similar but have differences. They cannot change their technique and style...that is learnt early and hard to change. One has a higher HR and the other makes up for it in threshold power (I think that was what he said). Sassi admitted his boys are both Diesels but still different enough physiologically. Basically Basso has the higher HR, helps on climbs and Evans makes up for it with his body giving him a slight edge in ITT. Look it up.
 
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Galic Ho said:
Google Sassi + Evans + Basso. You should find a report where Sassi was interviewed before last years Vuelta. He said they are similar but have differences. They cannot change their technique and style...that is learnt early and hard to change. One has a higher HR and the other makes up for it in threshold power (I think that was what he said). Sassi admitted his boys are both Diesels but still different enough physiologically. Basically Basso has the higher HR, helps on climbs and Evans makes up for it with his body giving him a slight edge in ITT. Look it up.

Thanks for that. I know they have the same coach and different styles. I think Evans has been associated with Mapei clinic since his mountain biking days, hasn't he? I was being facetious, alluding to the idea that, just because they have the same coach doesn't mean both are doped - or, rather, both clean; in other words it was a dig at Basso.
 
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gree0232 said:
And this is the problem with all the finger pointing without evidence. Basso WAS convicted of doping, served his sentence, and is part of the blood pasport system. Because he won today's stage, and given his past, he will be tested.

Thus far, and for whatever reason, good results are now proof of doping? Someone had to win today's stage, and I would like to hope that simply winning a difficult stage is not alone proof of doping.

If he is doping, he'll be caught. In the meantime, enjoy the friggin' race.

+1

If he doped today he would have to be the stupidest person in the world - or the most confident...

How does his time compare to Gibo's?

He look very strong yesterday, but not in a breathting thru the nose way.
 
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gree0232 said:
And this is the problem with all the finger pointing without evidence. Basso WAS convicted of doping, served his sentence, and is part of the blood pasport system. Because he won today's stage, and given his past, he will be tested.

Thus far, and for whatever reason, good results are now proof of doping? Someone had to win today's stage, and I would like to hope that simply winning a difficult stage is not alone proof of doping.

If he is doping, he'll be caught. In the meantime, enjoy the friggin' race.

Hallefreakinlooya. Amen Brother!

"oooh! Basso won! He must have cheated!" When will these people give it a rest.
 
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Did the guy who posted 'Basso was breathing thru his nose' watch the race?

clean or not, the guy was sufferring BAD on that climb.

Gear (ie cassette ;) ) selection had as much to do with it - Basso was brave enough to go for girly MYB gears (34:29) and was duly rewarded - Evans was trying to push too big a gear and he had to to pop.
 
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So like Spartacus in P-R and Vino in LBL, its another 'superhuman performance' that is in fact off the pace from results from a few years ago.

Maybe they are still doped, but they are a lot less doped.
 
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Winterfold said:
Did the guy who posted 'Basso was breathing thru his nose' watch the race?

clean or not, the guy was sufferring BAD on that climb.

Gear (ie cassette ;) ) selection had as much to do with it - Basso was brave enough to go for girly MYB gears (34:29) and was duly rewarded - Evans was trying to push too big a gear and he had to to pop.

I agree. Evans always looks like he's in too big a gear and can't turn it over smoothly, hence he's always getting out of the saddle and looking like a chimp humping a football.

Say what you want about Basso, but he has the sweetest pedaling style in the peloton. Pure smooth silkness.
 
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Lion of Flanders said:
Hallefreakinlooya. Amen Brother!

"oooh! Basso won! He must have cheated!" When will these people give it a rest.

The willful naivete of fans make it easy for them to dope. You just looove to believe their BS stories.

I love the race, I enjoy, but nor am I expecting that to be a clean ride.

Hate the expression, but it is what it is.
 
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the vagabond said:
Evans has to lead the peloton in calorie burn. The guy expends more energy per minute than a boxer in a slugfest. Meanwhile, Basso never came out of the saddle in the last 5 km, even in the finish. Just spun his gear, breathing through his nose, like he was climbing 6%.

How about this?

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Lion of Flanders said:
Hallefreakinlooya. Amen Brother!

"oooh! Basso won! He must have cheated!" When will these people give it a rest.

As I thought, the one who "only planned to dope" is forgiven^^

I truly don't mind... but if we look at how this forum churned when Vino won LBL... ttsssskkkkkk.

Double standards.. we seem to have them.
 
Franklin said:
As I thought, the one who "only planned to dope" is forgiven^^

I truly don't mind... but if we look at how this forum churned when Vino won LBL... ttsssskkkkkk.

Double standards.. we seem to have them.

I think a lot of the people who were slamming Vino are those that are now also questioning Basso.

Others are going on the silly notion that Basso actually confessed..... sort of, whilst big bad Vino didnt, therefore Basso is not as bad.