Ivan Basso Wins by 2 Minutes on Monte Zoncolan

[Galic Ho]

If I were Evans I'd be pi$$ed at continually being beaten by unrepentant dopers with nay a peep out of him.

*lightbulb

They have the same coach. Do the math.

 

[Maxiton]

They have the same coach. Do the math.

They don't climb like they have the same coach. They don't even climb like they're on the same mountain.

 

[issoisso]

1773 after such a stage^^

Cycling surely got cleaner!

2007 = 1850m/h

 

[Galic Ho]

They don't climb like they have the same coach. They don't even climb like they're on the same mountain.

Google Sassi + Evans + Basso. You should find a report where Sassi was interviewed before last years Vuelta. He said they are similar but have differences. They cannot change their technique and style...that is learnt early and hard to change. One has a higher HR and the other makes up for it in threshold power (I think that was what he said). Sassi admitted his boys are both Diesels but still different enough physiologically. Basically Basso has the higher HR, helps on climbs and Evans makes up for it with his body giving him a slight edge in ITT. Look it up.

 

[dolophonic]

Basso looked like he was suffering today, unlike when he won the Giro previously.

 

[Maxiton]

Google Sassi + Evans + Basso. You should find a report where Sassi was interviewed before last years Vuelta. He said they are similar but have differences. They cannot change their technique and style...that is learnt early and hard to change. One has a higher HR and the other makes up for it in threshold power (I think that was what he said). Sassi admitted his boys are both Diesels but still different enough physiologically. Basically Basso has the higher HR, helps on climbs and Evans makes up for it with his body giving him a slight edge in ITT. Look it up.

Thanks for that. I know they have the same coach and different styles. I think Evans has been associated with Mapei clinic since his mountain biking days, hasn't he? I was being facetious, alluding to the idea that, just because they have the same coach doesn't mean both are doped - or, rather, both clean; in other words it was a dig at Basso.

 

[Winterfold]

And this is the problem with all the finger pointing without evidence. Basso WAS convicted of doping, served his sentence, and is part of the blood pasport system. Because he won today's stage, and given his past, he will be tested.

Thus far, and for whatever reason, good results are now proof of doping? Someone had to win today's stage, and I would like to hope that simply winning a difficult stage is not alone proof of doping.

If he is doping, he'll be caught. In the meantime, enjoy the friggin' race.

+1

If he doped today he would have to be the stupidest person in the world - or the most confident...

How does his time compare to Gibo's?

He look very strong yesterday, but not in a breathting thru the nose way.

 

[erader]

Well, of course, I don't really know if he was breathing through his nose, but it struck me that his mouth was never very far open.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/pho...come-back-with-victory-on-the-zoncolan/122824

ed rader

 

[Jonathan]

If he is doping, he'll be caught.

That is very reassuring. And it is logical: since there is a waterproof test for every doping method, this must be true.

 

[drb716]

Evans has to lead the peloton in calorie burn. The guy expends more energy per minute than a boxer in a slugfest. Meanwhile, Basso never came out of the saddle in the last 5 km, even in the finish. Just spun his gear, breathing through his nose, like he was climbing 6%.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/pho...come-back-with-victory-on-the-zoncolan/122824


That's one funny looking nose.

 

[erader]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/pho...come-back-with-victory-on-the-zoncolan/122824


That's one funny looking nose.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2010...hotos_118203/attachment/giro-ditalia-2010-122

ed rader

 

[Lion of Flanders]

And this is the problem with all the finger pointing without evidence. Basso WAS convicted of doping, served his sentence, and is part of the blood pasport system. Because he won today's stage, and given his past, he will be tested.

Thus far, and for whatever reason, good results are now proof of doping? Someone had to win today's stage, and I would like to hope that simply winning a difficult stage is not alone proof of doping.

If he is doping, he'll be caught. In the meantime, enjoy the friggin' race.

Hallefreakinlooya. Amen Brother!

"oooh! Basso won! He must have cheated!" When will these people give it a rest.

 

[forty four]

if all were clean there would still be a winner and he just might win with authority lol. idiots

 

[Winterfold]

Did the guy who posted 'Basso was breathing thru his nose' watch the race?

clean or not, the guy was sufferring BAD on that climb.

Gear (ie cassette ) selection had as much to do with it - Basso was brave enough to go for girly MYB gears (34:29) and was duly rewarded - Evans was trying to push too big a gear and he had to to pop.

 

[Pantani_lives]

+1



How does his time compare to Gibo's?

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Simoni was a minute and a half faster in 2007. However the race before the Zoncolan was tougher today than three years ago. Basso's time was 40.46 if I remember well.

 

[Winterfold]

So like Spartacus in P-R and Vino in LBL, its another 'superhuman performance' that is in fact off the pace from results from a few years ago.

Maybe they are still doped, but they are a lot less doped.

 

[pedaling squares]

If he is doping, he'll be caught.

There are some good comments here on both sides of the fence. But this......

 

[BYOP88]

The simple thing to do is this, the winner gets sent to jail for life that way only the stupid would dope.

 

[Tom T.]

Did the guy who posted 'Basso was breathing thru his nose' watch the race?

clean or not, the guy was sufferring BAD on that climb.

Gear (ie cassette ) selection had as much to do with it - Basso was brave enough to go for girly MYB gears (34:29) and was duly rewarded - Evans was trying to push too big a gear and he had to to pop.

I agree. Evans always looks like he's in too big a gear and can't turn it over smoothly, hence he's always getting out of the saddle and looking like a chimp humping a football.

Say what you want about Basso, but he has the sweetest pedaling style in the peloton. Pure smooth silkness.

 

[bobs nob]

Hallefreakinlooya. Amen Brother!

"oooh! Basso won! He must have cheated!" When will these people give it a rest.

The willful naivete of fans make it easy for them to dope. You just looove to believe their BS stories.

I love the race, I enjoy, but nor am I expecting that to be a clean ride.

Hate the expression, but it is what it is.

 

[Cozy Beehive]

Pics speak louder

Evans has to lead the peloton in calorie burn. The guy expends more energy per minute than a boxer in a slugfest. Meanwhile, Basso never came out of the saddle in the last 5 km, even in the finish. Just spun his gear, breathing through his nose, like he was climbing 6%.

How about this?

 

[Franklin]

Hallefreakinlooya. Amen Brother!

"oooh! Basso won! He must have cheated!" When will these people give it a rest.

As I thought, the one who "only planned to dope" is forgiven^^

I truly don't mind... but if we look at how this forum churned when Vino won LBL... ttsssskkkkkk.

Double standards.. we seem to have them.

 

[VeloCity]

Hallefreakinlooya. Amen Brother!

"oooh! Basso won! He must have cheated!" When will these people give it a rest.

Maybe when the top riders stop getting popped for doping?

 

[pmcg76]

As I thought, the one who "only planned to dope" is forgiven^^

I truly don't mind... but if we look at how this forum churned when Vino won LBL... ttsssskkkkkk.

Double standards.. we seem to have them.

I think a lot of the people who were slamming Vino are those that are now also questioning Basso.

Others are going on the silly notion that Basso actually confessed..... sort of, whilst big bad Vino didnt, therefore Basso is not as bad.

 

[Eyeballs Out]

How about this?

If only dopers over the years had known they just had to pull a face to be pronounced clean (or maybe some of them did know)