Teams & Riders Jakob Fuglsang discussion thread

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Never a fan, too much of a whiner constantly pointing towards others when failing. His win in Liege was great.

Must admit I can't really get all excited about him like everybody else apparantly these days. Not really a rider or character Im gonna miss at all.
 
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Never a fan, too much of a whiner constantly pointing towards others when failing. His win in Liege was great.

Must admit I can't really get all excited about him like everybody else apparantly these days. Not really a rider or character Im gonna miss at all.
I didn't really understand the hype for him as a commentator, either.

A bit of humour is a good thing for a commentator, and I think he lacks that.
 
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The best thing about him as guest commentator for the Tour was that he kept calling M. Jorgenson, Jürgensen, and nobody was correcting him 😂
 
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I was a big fan of Fuglsang as a rider, he was a joy to watch. Not always the luckiest rider. He also made the mistake on focusing too much on Grand Tour GC, which clearly wasn’t his greatest strength. I think the one-week stage races were the ones that fitted his abilities the best, but in his prime he was also incredible in classics. It is a pity it took him too long to realise what his strength was.
Still, when looking at his palmares, it is hard to see what he should have achieved, that he didn’t.

2X Dauphine GC winner (arguably the most prestigious one-week race nowadays)

Liege-Bastogne-Liege and Il Lombardia (The only two monuments he had a strong chance of winning)

Olympic Silver (Gold would of course have been even better).

Several podiums in one-week races, especially in Tour de Suisse.

He should probably have won a stage in the Tour and Giro, to get the most out of his career, but he can be very happy.
 
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Must admit I can't really get all excited about him like everybody else apparantly these days.

He did basically carry all of cycling-Denmark on his own for several years. That's something worth honouring.

I didn't really understand the hype for him as a commentator, either.

I personally quite like it when someone who was in the pro peloton very recently commentates, as they have insider knowledge people who retired longer ago simply lack.
(Of course, the ideal would be someone who's still a pro, like when they got Minke Anderson to commentate for the Tour de France Femmes.)

2X Dauphine GC winner (arguably the most prestigious one-week race nowadays)

Unfortunately, he had to make a sacrifice to the Cycling gods of not being able to finish the TdF either year.
 
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So? I wasn't really a fan of him, so his results are not anything else than say a Dan Martin winning these races to me. Apart from Liege, I will give him that, I rooted for him that day when Valverde was out of contention, and that was extremely impressive
 
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Never a fan, too much of a whiner constantly pointing towards others when failing. His win in Liege was great.

Must admit I can't really get all excited about him like everybody else apparantly these days. Not really a rider or character Im gonna miss at all.
yes yes but when exactly? i cant remember an unusual level of whinyness
 
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Jakob Fuglsang has put forward a thorough and imo well-founded critique of the impact of motorcycles on bike races. (Auto translation below)


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Fuglsang enters debate: They decide the races

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During this year's Paris-Nice, several riders told Feltet how, in their eyes, motorcycles are a problem in cycling.

The two-wheeled vehicles often lie in front of groups of riders to provide television footage, take photos, or in other functions

Several riders consider them to be decisive in the race, and according to Jonas Vingegaard, they are a factor in the sport, and one that shouldn't be there.

Jakob Fuglsang has the same opinion when Feltet talks to him:

- I've been of the opinion for several years that the motorcycles decide more than much else. They help decide whether the one who drives away stays, depending on how close they are.

Fuglsang has seen that they play a crucial role several times as a rider in the peloton. And the motorcycles shape the dynamics of the races and influence how they are driven and who wins:

- It's about attacking first. Because if you do that, you get the motorcycle, and then they can't catch you, even if there are four of them riding around. Van der Poel probably wouldn't have won E3 (Saxo Classic, ed.) if he hadn't had a motorcycle out in front. It was one man against four (riding around and cooperating, ed.).

- I know they also had that tactic at Quick Step when they rode Belgian classics: It's about attacking first (and catching the motorcycle, ed.). Because it's hard for the motorcycles to get away because the roads are so winding, and they need to have proper TV images.

The motorcycles are crucial, and that's why it rings hollow to the 41-year-old Dane when the UCI is thinking about all sorts of safety measures, while not enough is being done about this very obvious problem:

- When they talk about limiting the gearing (to reduce the speed in the field, ed.), I think: It's not the gearing that makes the difference. It's the motorcycles. When the guy at the front of the field has a motorcycle a little too close, he can go faster than the guy sitting down in position 100.

- There were times last year in the Tour where we fell behind because we couldn't go faster physically. When you can't close a gap with a cadence of 120 (revolutions per minute), it's because those up front are catching a bike that allows them to go faster.

When chasing a group in front in the peloton, a psychological mechanism also easily arises that causes the riders to chase the two-wheeled aids. A kind of Schrödinger's motorcycle:

- If you drive forward in the peloton and wave the motorcycle away, the rider up there gets mad at you and says: 'Well, up in the breakaway they probably have one too (a motorcycle, ed.)'. Yes, maybe they do. Or maybe they don't. But just the fact that you doubt makes you drive after it too, because you don't want to be cheated and suffer for closing a gap to someone who is being paced by a motorcycle.

With the above point in mind, Fuglsang is also clear in his mind: Motorcycles have to go further away, and he also admits that he has a naive dream that the riders will change their behavior:

- I am of the opinion that they decide much more than you might think. I think the motorcycles have too much to say. And we need to do something to get the motorcycles further away first, and then we should make a gentleman's agreement in the field, which will probably never be possible, that we don't race after the motorcycles, he says in conclusion.
 
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- It's about attacking first. Because if you do that, you get the motorcycle, and then they can't catch you, even if there are four of them riding around. Van der Poel probably wouldn't have won E3 (Saxo Classic, ed.) if he hadn't had a motorcycle out in front. It was one man against four (riding around and cooperating, ed.).
bad example
 
Sep 1, 2023
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Jakob Fuglsang has put forward a thorough and imo well-founded critique of the impact of motorcycles on bike races. (Auto translation below)


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Fuglsang enters debate: They decide the races

(...)

During this year's Paris-Nice, several riders told Feltet how, in their eyes, motorcycles are a problem in cycling.

The two-wheeled vehicles often lie in front of groups of riders to provide television footage, take photos, or in other functions

Several riders consider them to be decisive in the race, and according to Jonas Vingegaard, they are a factor in the sport, and one that shouldn't be there.

Jakob Fuglsang has the same opinion when Feltet talks to him:

- I've been of the opinion for several years that the motorcycles decide more than much else. They help decide whether the one who drives away stays, depending on how close they are.

Fuglsang has seen that they play a crucial role several times as a rider in the peloton. And the motorcycles shape the dynamics of the races and influence how they are driven and who wins:

- It's about attacking first. Because if you do that, you get the motorcycle, and then they can't catch you, even if there are four of them riding around. Van der Poel probably wouldn't have won E3 (Saxo Classic, ed.) if he hadn't had a motorcycle out in front. It was one man against four (riding around and cooperating, ed.).

- I know they also had that tactic at Quick Step when they rode Belgian classics: It's about attacking first (and catching the motorcycle, ed.). Because it's hard for the motorcycles to get away because the roads are so winding, and they need to have proper TV images.

The motorcycles are crucial, and that's why it rings hollow to the 41-year-old Dane when the UCI is thinking about all sorts of safety measures, while not enough is being done about this very obvious problem:

- When they talk about limiting the gearing (to reduce the speed in the field, ed.), I think: It's not the gearing that makes the difference. It's the motorcycles. When the guy at the front of the field has a motorcycle a little too close, he can go faster than the guy sitting down in position 100.

- There were times last year in the Tour where we fell behind because we couldn't go faster physically. When you can't close a gap with a cadence of 120 (revolutions per minute), it's because those up front are catching a bike that allows them to go faster.

When chasing a group in front in the peloton, a psychological mechanism also easily arises that causes the riders to chase the two-wheeled aids. A kind of Schrödinger's motorcycle:

- If you drive forward in the peloton and wave the motorcycle away, the rider up there gets mad at you and says: 'Well, up in the breakaway they probably have one too (a motorcycle, ed.)'. Yes, maybe they do. Or maybe they don't. But just the fact that you doubt makes you drive after it too, because you don't want to be cheated and suffer for closing a gap to someone who is being paced by a motorcycle.

With the above point in mind, Fuglsang is also clear in his mind: Motorcycles have to go further away, and he also admits that he has a naive dream that the riders will change their behavior:

- I am of the opinion that they decide much more than you might think. I think the motorcycles have too much to say. And we need to do something to get the motorcycles further away first, and then we should make a gentleman's agreement in the field, which will probably never be possible, that we don't race after the motorcycles, he says in conclusion.
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- There were times last year in the Tour where we fell behind because we couldn't go faster physically. When you can't close a gap with a cadence of 120 (revolutions per minute), it's because those up front are catching a bike that allows them to go faster.

Slight translation error.
Not last year, but the year before last year. In other words 2024, the last time Fuglsang did the TdF.
 

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