Teams & Riders Jakob Fuglsang discussion thread

[undencem]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/fuglsang-too-fat-to-win-the-giro-ditalia-andersen-says

Fugslang is 182 cm tall and 69kg . His Body Mass Index(BMI) is around 20.8 .

Contador is 176 cm and 62 kg . BMI is 20,01 and Lance was 177 cm and 71kg . BMI was 22,66 during his seven Tour de France wins.

What do you think ? Is he really fat for a GC contender? Or Is it a tactic to make rivals think Fugslang is not strong enough ?

 

[El Pistolero]

Fuglsnake is too thin.


In talent.

 

[jens_attacks]

5 kilos down.the engine is good.yes he can be a contender but not for this giro

 

[will10]

For the 10,394th time, BMI is a useless measure for athletes.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Watts/Kilo

Sven Nys actually discussed this in a video interview. The way Nys described it, 'they' have firm ideas about the kilos a racer needs to be able to climb fast enough to be a Grand Tour contender. In Nys' case, it was specifically about being able to climb fast enough to race mountain bikes.

Who knows how much truth is in it.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/fuglsang-too-fat-to-win-the-giro-ditalia-andersen-says

Fugslang is 182 cm tall and 69kg . His Body Mass Index(BMI) is around 20.8 .

Contador is 176 cm and 62 kg . BMI is 20,01 and Lance was 177 cm and 71kg . BMI was 22,66 during his seven Tour de France wins.

What do you think ? Is he really fat for a GC contender? Or Is it a tactic to make rivals think Fugslang is not strong enough ?

bs of course. basso is 183 and 70 kg which is same bmi

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Sven Nys actually discussed this in a video interview. The way Nys described it, 'they' have firm ideas about the kilos a racer needs to be able to climb fast enough to be a Grand Tour contender. In Nys' case, it was specifically about being able to climb fast enough to race mountain bikes.

Who knows how much truth is in it.

there's no truth in it. simple as that. botero climbed like a buffalo and had a bmi of an overweight person with 175 and 75 kg. indurain was 188 and 80 kg. bmi says nothing. it's the other talents that matter like recuperation. lung capacity. engine, power, being able to pull of a continous effort for a long time. like long climbs. racing or living at altitude(blood) etc

 

[El Pistolero]

there's no truth in it. simple as that. botero climbed like a buffalo and had a bmi of an overweight person with 175 and 75 kg. indurain was 188 and 80 kg. bmi says nothing. it's the other talents that matter like recuperation. lung capacity. engine, power, being able to pull of a continous effort for a long time. like long climbs. racing or living at altitude(blood) etc

That post was talking about kilograms, not BMI.

If weight doesn't matter then why do cyclists pay so much attention to it? Of course it matters.

As for your examples, go to the clinic

 

[ferryman]

there's no truth in it. simple as that. botero climbed like a buffalo and had a bmi of an overweight person with 175 and 75 kg. indurain was 188 and 80 kg. bmi says nothing. it's the other talents that matter like recuperation. lung capacity. engine, power, being able to pull of a continous effort for a long time. like long climbs. racing or living at altitude(blood) etc

Are you sure for all? A guy like Wiggins had all those other talents you list but he was nothing until he lost a scary amount of weight. Why not the same for Fugslang, who is a bit chubby let's face it

 

[craig1985]

Fuglsang needs to go high carb low fat vegan in order to win the Giro.

 

[thehog]

Methinks its a way of dampening his leadership aspirations. He wanted out when Hog took over & they gave him Giro leadership to stay...... now he's too fat?

 

[undencem]

I think , his weight / height ratio is okay but he has to improve wattage production to be among Grand Tour favourites. Better to follow Lance's way

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Fuglsang needs to go high carb low fat vegan in order to win the Giro.

and something you only can use in California

 

[Shardi]

Fuglsang should think about upping his wattage and improve powerclimbing, rather than cutting the kilos. He approaches the GC-realm from the TT side. Follow the ullrich/armstrong path,. Be it improving powerclimbing through talent, or going to the doctor.
Can't just decide to cut 5-6 kilos n become a lightweight climber over night.

 

[theyoungest]

Fuglsang should think about upping his wattage and improve powerclimbing, rather than cutting the kilos. He approaches the GC-realm from the TT side. Follow the ullrich/armstrong path,. Be it improving powerclimbing through talent, or going to the doctor.
Can't just decide to cut 5-6 kilos n become a lightweight climber over night.

He was a climber first, and then learned to time trial, to the detriment of his climbing.

 

[Mellow Velo]

He needs to get on the Radio Snack beetroot juice diet.

 

[sky forever]

Better to follow Lance's way

Think this might need to be in the Clinic.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

I think , his weight / height ratio is okay but he has to improve wattage production to be among Grand Tour favourites. Better to follow Lance's way

exactamundo. Case closed.

 

[spalco]

Are you sure for all? A guy like Wiggins had all those other talents you list but he was nothing until he lost a scary amount of weight. Why not the same for Fugslang, who is a bit chubby let's face it

That's ridiculous, if the OP is accurate, Fuglsang weighs 69kg at 182cm tall - there's literally no body configuration with those characteristics that could result in person being "chubby". Is he a cyclist or a ****ing super model?

 

[auscyclefan94]

That's ridiculous, if the OP is accurate, Fuglsang weighs 69kg at 182cm tall - there's literally no body configuration with those characteristics that could result in person being "chubby". Is he a cyclist or a ****ing super model?

I think Andersen means that he is fat for a cyclist or a gc contender. Losing some weight generally does help climbing and looking at his competitors at the Giro, his time trial abilities will be more than sufficient to take time from his competitors.

 

[thehog]

Sounds like high cadance chop suey to me......

 

[hfer07]

Methinks its a way of dampening his leadership aspirations. He wanted out when Hog took over & they gave him Giro leadership to stay...... now he's too fat?

Really sickens me to see how JB is going to "obstruct" Fuglsang's career from now on........nothing that he's never done in the past with riders "too vocal" on his (JB) approach

 

[Christian]

Fuglsang is a great guy, very nice and funny and all. Talented, too. But he was never a great climber and I doubt he ever will be, even if he loses some weight. Sure he has showed above average climbing skills but to win a GT that still doesn't cut it.

Now he is a quite good individual time trialist. So I say if there is a Vuelta coming up with no terribly steep or long climbs and a lot of ITT km's, he has a real shot. If he sits out the Tour and prepares specifically for the Vuelta.

Other than that he should focus on week-long stage races with a nice ITT, he can do very well there as he has proven with a couple of nice finishes in Suisse (3rd and 4th IIRC).

It will be interesting to see how he will do at the Giro as a team leader though, maybe he will surprise us all.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Fuglsang needs to go high carb low fat vegan in order to win the Giro.

<<<<...Sarcasm sensor..>>>>

 

[greenedge]

I don't know whether this claim is real, but It might help improve Fuglsang/ Andersen does know him quite well. I doubt he could win the Giro next year, too little ITT KM. He has talent but that might have stagnated whilst being with the Shlecks.

Totally agree with @ Christians' points. ( rider in the mould of Rogers, who can get a decent placing at GT's whilst helping his leaders, though he could target the Vuelta )