Jalabert positive for EPO in 1998 TDF

[Dazed and Confused]

the senate commission in france will release it's report with ALL the positive tests and their identities on july the 18th according to french newssites

A big applause to the senate commission if so.

 

[roundabout]

Given that Jalabert was the only name leaked he could be the biggest of all, or at least the biggest French name.

Catching Bo Hamburger once again doesn't really make for a lot of interest.

Edit: that is not to say that I don't want the names to be revealed. I just doubt that anything will be particularly earth-shattering.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Given that Jalabert was the only name leaked he could be the biggest of all, or at least the biggest French name.

Catching Bo Hamburger once again doesn't really make for a lot of interest.

Edit: that is not to say that I don't want the names to be revealed. I just doubt that anything will be particularly earth-shattering.

There won't be too may surprises, I suspect, but the process is very positive. Sends a very good signal.

 

[ToreBear]

Does anyone know the details of the testing in 1998?

- Who, Stage winners/classification leaders/ etc?
-How many tests were done in total?

If 100% were doping, continuously, then all the stage winners could be named.

Those with a an "unpositive" palmares might be having a nervous couple of weeks.

 

[andy1234]

Does anyone know the details of the testing in 1998?

- Who, Stage winners/classification leaders/ etc?
-How many tests were done in total?

If 100% were doping, continuously, then all the stage winners could be named.

Those with a an "unpositive" palmares might be having a nervous couple of weeks.

Full list of stage winners and jersey holders here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Tour_de_France

 

[ToreBear]

Full list of stage winners and jersey holders here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Tour_de_France

Thanks I had that open in another tab.

The question is which ones who might have been tested. What the selection procedures were back in 1998?

 

[hrotha]

Boardman should be interesting. O'Grady should be hilarious.

 

[skimazk]

so far i've seen the number of around 20 mentioned, and not only cyclists

 

[andy1234]

Thanks I had that open in another tab.

The question is which ones who might have been tested. What the selection procedures were back in 1998?

Stage winners, jersey holders and a couple of randoms each day.

 

[skimazk]

http://www.lequotidien.lu/les-sports/46219.html

De fait, Jalabert ne sera pas le seul concerné. Car en 2004, l'Agence française de lutte contre le dopage (AFLD) a procédé à la réanalyse de 60 échantillons provenant du Tour 98, avec des résultats ne laissant aucune place au doute: 7 se sont révélés impossibles à analyser, 9 avaient donné des résultats sans EPO et 44 contenaient des traces d'EPO, selon le rapport de l'ALFD transmis à l'agence antidopage américaine (USADA) dans le cadre de son action contre Lance Armstrong. Si Jalabert, qui n'avait pas terminé le Tour cette année-là, devrait figurer dans cette liste, on retrouvera également à coup sûr d'autres grandes figures de ce cyclisme des années 90, un cyclisme +d'une autre époque+, selon la formule consacrée.

In fact, Jalabert will not be the only one concerned. For 2004, the French Agency against Doping (AFLD) conducted reanalysis of 60 samples from the Tour 98, with results leaving no room for doubt: 7 proved impossible to analyze, 9 gave results without EPO and 44 contained traces of EPO, according to the report ALFD sent to the U.S. Anti-Doping agency (USADA) as part of its action against Lance Armstrong. If Jalabert, who had not completed the Tour this year, should be included in this list, we also find certainly other major figures of the 90s cycling, cycling + another + time, according the saying goes.

 

[skimazk]

Le rapport final de la commission sénatoriale sera rendu public le 18 juillet prochain. Bien que les résultats de l’enquête de la commission ne traduisent «(…) pas une volonté de stigmatiser », selon Jean-Charles Lozach, le rapporteur de la commission, « d’autres révélations sont possibles », puisque le document contiendra bien une « liste de noms de coureurs, qui à l'évidence ont utilisé de l'EPO au cours de ce Tour 1998 » et « bien sur, des noms connus », confirme le sénateur.

The final report of the Senate Committee will be released on July 18. Although the results of the investigation of the commission reflected "(...) will not stigmatize" says Jean-Charles Lozach, the rapporteur of the commission, "other revelations are possible", since the document will contain much a "list of names of riders, who clearly have used EPO during the 1998 Tour" and "of course, well-known names," says the senator.

http://www.publicsenat.fr/lcp/polit...a-une-liste-coureurs-qui-ont-pris-lepo-388065

 

[ToreBear]

Stage winners, jersey holders and a couple of randoms each day.

Hmm this could get very interesting.

 

[andy1234]

Le rapport final de la commission sénatoriale sera rendu public le 18 juillet prochain. Bien que les résultats de l’enquête de la commission ne traduisent «(…) pas une volonté de stigmatiser », selon Jean-Charles Lozach, le rapporteur de la commission, « d’autres révélations sont possibles », puisque le document contiendra bien une « liste de noms de coureurs, qui à l'évidence ont utilisé de l'EPO au cours de ce Tour 1998 » et « bien sur, des noms connus », confirme le sénateur.

The final report of the Senate Committee will be released on July 18. Although the results of the investigation of the commission reflected "(...) will not stigmatize" says Jean-Charles Lozach, the rapporteur of the commission, "other revelations are possible", since the document will contain much a "list of names of riders, who clearly have used EPO during the 1998 Tour" and "of course, well-known names," says the senator.

http://www.publicsenat.fr/lcp/polit...a-une-liste-coureurs-qui-ont-pris-lepo-388065

This should be interesting.

 

[ToreBear]

This should be interesting.

You read my mind

 

[andy1234]

You read my mind

Indeed.
With the overlaps in jersey holders and stage winners, analysing 60 tests would cover a lot of the pointy end of the peloton.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Wasn't there a list up yesterday of all the EPO+ results by stage from 98? It would be fun to cross reference the stage winners/jersey holders list day by day with that other list.

Found it, not by stage. :-(
Guess we'll have to wait.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

I'm guessing the clean samples will be late in the race. Post raids and dumping of drug stash out of fear of more raids. They'd test clean some days after EPO-cessation. Like LA testing clean in the 3rd week of -99, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Berzin]

How does Miguel Indurain manage to dodge all the salvos being tossed at practically every big-time rider of his generation?

Now that they've got Jalabert, Big Mig HAS to be next, if only because there isn't anyone else in terms of big-time riders left to expose from this era.

 

[hrotha]

Seriously, the results of Boardman's test(s) should be the most interesting ones. The guy has a bit of a reputation as a clean rider, which is a bit hard to believe for someone who smashed the hour record the way he did, among other things. But he went into the 1998 Tour with pretty much the only goal of winning the prologue, any GC ambitions long forgotten. That was his make-or-break day at the Tour, and so it stands to reason that, if he wasn't clean, he would have loaded on EPO for that day. This should pretty much confirm with a high degree of probability what kind of rider Boardman was.

 

[andy1234]

Seriously, the results of Boardman's test(s) should be the most interesting ones. The guy has a bit of a reputation as a clean rider, which is a bit hard to believe for someone who smashed the hour record the way he did, among other things. But he went into the 1998 Tour with pretty much the only goal of winning the prologue, any GC ambitions long forgotten. That was his make-or-break day at the Tour, and so it stands to reason that, if he wasn't clean, he would have loaded on EPO for that day. This should pretty much confirm with a high degree of probability what kind of rider Boardman was.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Seriously, the results of Boardman's test(s) should be the most interesting ones. The guy has a bit of a reputation as a clean rider, which is a bit hard to believe for someone who smashed the hour record the way he did, among other things. But he went into the 1998 Tour with pretty much the only goal of winning the prologue, any GC ambitions long forgotten. That was his make-or-break day at the Tour, and so it stands to reason that, if he wasn't clean, he would have loaded on EPO for that day. This should pretty much confirm with a high degree of probability what kind of rider Boardman was.

When did Zabel say he stopped with the EPO junk?

And Ullrich's "blood doping confession only" could get under pressure immediately.

 

[Robinate]

Just agreeeing with toute le monde

Adieu

 

[Dr. Maserati]

How does Miguel Indurain manage to dodge all the salvos being tossed at practically every big-time rider of his generation?

Now that they've got Jalabert, Big Mig HAS to be next, if only because there isn't anyone else in terms of big-time riders left to expose from this era.

Pretty simple - the late 90s guys are caught up because they held their blood to do tests on. AFLD appear to have emptied their fridge and it only went back to 98.

 

[Cloxxki]

When did Zabel say he stopped with the EPO junk?

And Ullrich's "blood doping confession only" could get under pressure immediately.

Probably when he got his hands on DynEpo or whatever gen2 was?

Ulle, perhaps just to enhance blood values, not the steroid stuff associated with East Germany? He might not lie. Confession to blood doping supercedes confessing sporting testosterone patches.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Probably when he got his hands on DynEpo or whatever gen2 was?

Ulle, perhaps just to enhance blood values, not the steroid stuff associated with East Germany? He might not lie. Confession to blood doping supercedes confessing sporting testosterone patches.

I'm interested in the value of the confession. Iirc, Zabel stated he tried EPO, but didn't gain anything from it and stopped. Just want to correlate the story.

On Ulle, several users on this forum wants to pump up the boy as a natural wonder able to win big races clean, hence the story/confession of blood doping only. If Ulle took EPO in '98, well the narrative will look short.

But otherwise I agree, blood doping is the equivalent of having stepped up to heroin.