Jan Ullrich

[Zweistein]

Udo Bolts said Jan could not climb a lick til Telekom got him on epo

A vet would have a hard time to compete in the 90s clean. For a rookie, it would be very difficult. With how things were, it is hard to gauge natural talent during this period.

 

[MarkvW]

He was 16 when the system collapsed
Anayway, he was not on Epo/Blood Doping in 1995. That's pretty safe.

Ullrich graduated from the DDR training system. He was a doper from the earliest age. It's difficult to imagine that he wasn't an early EPO adopter.

 

[Mr.38%]

Authentic information suggests, he used oral and occasional IM recovery drugs occasionally before stepping up to the Pro ranks. More authentic info suggests, everybody was seriously shocked about his natural capabilities. Even more authentic info confirms how lazy he really was, unbelievably lazy and unbelievably talented.

Germany's cycling scene is really small.

 

[SundayRider]

Yeah and a lazy athlete who earns vast amounts of cash at a young age tends to become an even lazier athlete.

 

[Bavarianrider]

Ullrich graduated from the DDR training system. He was a doper from the earliest age. It's difficult to imagine that he wasn't an early EPO adopter.

You have your kowledge based on what
Anyway, that Epo was used from 1996-1998 is a no brainer, of course.

 

[Le breton]

You have your kowledge based on what
Anyway, that Epo was used from 1996-1998 is a no brainer, of course.

Since you live in Bavaria, I was wondering whether people in cycling "circles" there were by chance speculating on the following.

Assuming LA confesses half his doping sins on Oprah's show today, wouldn't there be a substantial amount of pressure on Jan to come out and tell us 75% of his own "sins"?

 

[Bavarianrider]

Since you live in Bavaria, I was wondering whether people in cycling "circles" there were by chance speculating on the following.

Assuming LA confesses half his doping sins on Oprah's show today, wouldn't there be a substantial amount of pressure on Jan to come out and tell us 75% of his own "sins"?

Surely, if Lance really makes some sort of a big confession, no doubt that German media will jump on Ullrich once again. The pressure on him will be very high. No doubt.

 

[movingtarget]

ask Race Radio.

what the f r u talking about as a 21 yo clean rookie.

Jan came thru the East German GDR stasi doping state.



was


Nev ah

clean

Too true just like the rest of the riders that came through Tele Con. Fraudsters all and the cake eater was one of the best. The East German Olympic team across all sports was industrial strength doping to the point that it ruined lives, won bags of Gold medals and it was often hard to tell the men from the women. Wonder why Lance admired him so much ?

 

[webvan]

Surely, if Lance really makes some sort of a big confession, no doubt that German media will jump on Ullrich once again. The pressure on him will be very high. No doubt.

He won't do it, what would be the incentive? Helping out an old friend ?...I don't think so!

 

[Bavarianrider]

What would be the incentive for him to do it?

I don't say he will do it. Actually i don't think he will. I just say that certainly he will be pressured to do it.

 

[webvan]

Sorry didn't mean to imply you had.

If anything this must taste like sweet revenge for Ulle...

 

[Mr.38%]

If anything this must taste like sweet revenge for Ulle...

I don't think you understand how Jan ticks.

He may be (or have been) full of anger against the German media for their highly selective coverage, German authorities for approaching (in the first place) just him and not the corrupt team, sponsors, doctors etc., the German cycling union, BDR, especially the current president Rudolf Scharping who is the biggest hypocrite of 'em all (and by the way failed in any political function he held before).

But not a competitor, whatever his name is. He may even feel sorry for Armstrong as well as for every other rider involved because he understands how he and everyone else got into the game. And please don't hang me for his presumable view, try to understand first.

 

[kingjr]

Sorry didn't mean to imply you had.

If anything this must taste like sweet revenge for Ulle...

That's not his character i think. If anything he might be happy about the fact that now it all comes out how dirty cycling was in his era, and he's not the one who needs to do the talking.

 

[pleyser]

stay retired

If anything, I think Jan would have advised Lance to stay retired.

 

[Neworld]

I don't say he will do it. Actually i don't think he will. I just say that certainly he will be pressured to do it.

Bavarian Rider,

could you please summarize and translate this B. Kohl interview for us?

http://tvthek.orf.at/programs/46600...te-mittag/5250827-Gespraech-mit-Bernhard-Kohl

Thank you

 

[Cobblestoned]

The great Jan Ullrich asked by BILD:

"This is nothing new for me. I have taken note of it. But Lance's era (time) in cycling and mine is far back in the past, so that this doesn't have any influence on my life any more."


„Das ist alles für mich nicht Neues. Ich nehme es zur Kenntnis. Aber die Zeit von Lance und mir im Radsport liegt schon so lange zurück, dass das auf mein Leben keinen Einfluss hat“, sagte der Toursieger von 1997 zu BILD.de.

http://www.bild.de/sport/mehr-sport...-mit-sich-ins-reine-kommen-28110008.bild.html

 

[enCYCLOpedia]

could you please summarize and translate this B. Kohl interview for us?

http://tvthek.orf.at/programs/46600...te-mittag/5250827-Gespraech-mit-Bernhard-Kohl

Thank you

I can give a brief summary: He starts saying that Lance is in a similar situation to the one he was in (after testing positive), weighed his options for the future, and saw that the only way forward was to come clean. He then says that doping isn't only prevalent in cycling, but if the light was shone on other sports stars, there would be few top athletes in any discipline who would be found to be clean. He says that if we want to be serious about fighting doping, we need tougher deterrents, not just bans from sports, but prison sentences. When the topic returns to Armstrong, he says that he isn't disappointed in Lance, and agrees with Jan Ullrich's statement, that Lance is still an amazing cyclist because he was able to win the Tour seven times. As to his own situation, he's happy, has just opened a large bike shop, and confessing was a good decision. To the question whether he, Kohl, would have made it in sports without doping, his answer is: "No way."

 

[Neworld]

I can give a brief summary: He starts saying that Lance is in a similar situation to the one he was in (after testing positive), weighed his options for the future, and saw that the only way forward was to come clean. He then says that doping isn't only prevalent in cycling, but if the light was shone on other sports stars, there would be few top athletes in any discipline who would be found to be clean. He says that if we want to be serious about fighting doping, we need tougher deterrents, not just bans from sports, but prison sentences. When the topic returns to Armstrong, he says that he isn't disappointed in Lance, and agrees with Jan Ullrich's statement, that Lance is still an amazing cyclist because he was able to win the Tour seven times. As to his own situation, he's happy, has just opened a large bike shop, and confessing was a good decision. To the question whether he, Kohl, would have made it in sports without doping, his answer is: "No way."

Wow, interesting. The last comment speaks volumes to the 'farce' of natural athleticism we've been watching for the last +15 yrs. Thank you for the interpretation. Cheers

 

[blackcat]

Wow, interesting. The last comment speaks volumes to the 'farce' of natural athleticism we've been watching for the last +15 yrs. Thank you for the interpretation. Cheers

if his manager Stefan Matschiner had brought the bloodbag before it coagulated he would have beaten Sastre and Evans and won the Tour.

Bernie Kohl and Rasmussen should be Tour winners. instructive.

need to redefine the question. what is the right question.

 

[Mr.38%]

Wow, interesting. The last comment speaks volumes to the 'farce' of natural athleticism we've been watching for the last +15 yrs. Thank you for the interpretation. Cheers

15? At least 35 years, ask around among the ladies of the 80ies...

 

[classic1]

Marita Koch. Possibly the most aptly named athlete of all time.

 

[enCYCLOpedia]

As to his own situation, he's happy, has just opened a large bike shop, and confessing was a good decision. To the question whether he, Kohl, would have made it in sports without doping, his answer is: "No way."

Kohl may be exaggerating, but if he is right, the sad truth is that for an aspiring pro cyclist today, the benefits of doping are very clear. Even if you are caught, like Kohl, you are much better off doping than not doping. Sure, the admission is embarrassing, and you go through a few tough weeks, but he wouldn't have the biggest bike shop in Austria now if he'd never doped. How can someone like Kohl be an ambassador to kids and help in the prevention of doping - he may have all the good will in the world, but he's a living proof that doping pays off. The world would be better without doping, and so would every individual cyclist be - but in a world with doping, it's tough to argue that you shouldn't do it.

Health risks of doping are an entirely different subject, of course - but in the long run, elite sports (very different from recreational sports) is inherently unhealthy, even without doping.

 

[sherer]

once again though he clearly knows about other top sportsmen but it's only cycling that is dragged through the mud. Wish some of these people would really come clean and name names and sports and who is involved across the board

 

[DirtyWorks]

...He then says that doping isn't only prevalent in cycling, but if the light was shone on other sports stars, there would be few top athletes in any discipline who would be found to be clean.

The IOC has a doping problem. Too bad that story can't be covered.

He says that if we want to be serious about fighting doping, we need tougher deterrents, not just bans from sports, but prison sentences.

The IOC would lobby against that internationally. In the U.S. Baseball, Basketball, NFL and even the NCAA don't want that to happen and have the money to make sure it doesn't.

 

[Zweistein]

The great Jan Ullrich asked by BILD:

"This is nothing new for me. I have taken note of it. But Lance's era (time) in cycling and mine is far back in the past, so that this doesn't have any influence on my life any more."


„Das ist alles für mich nicht Neues. Ich nehme es zur Kenntnis. Aber die Zeit von Lance und mir im Radsport liegt schon so lange zurück, dass das auf mein Leben keinen Einfluss hat“, sagte der Toursieger von 1997 zu BILD.de.

http://www.bild.de/sport/mehr-sport...-mit-sich-ins-reine-kommen-28110008.bild.html

The impression that I have been given by Jan is that he loved to ride but didn't not at all miss all the entanglements that went with be a "professional". He probably couldn't put more distance between himself and professional cycling.

I would really be curious to hear what Iban Mayo would have to say because after he was busted he just dropped out to drive truck. I imagine he saw how the game was played and saw no joy in it, either.