Jan Ullrich

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Dammit Ule,I told you twelve Frankfurters was too much have for breakfast!!

wow thats deep...

btw, it seems to be tough for a 3-Week-TdF-Epo-Lance-Blood-Doper-Lover to spell right... thats even deeper... no, that seems more like a form of autism. Ignoring reality and living in Pharmstrongs Fantasy-World. But i forgive you, because autistic pipo do live in their own world. I am very sorry for you. Get well soon, i wish you all the best.

 

[pedaling squares]

Laughable how LA is alway portrayed as the villainous drug cheat and here we have a true, convicted drug cheat being held up as a hero. One reason why these forums are just a joke

Facts. Learn them. It will be one small step towards seeming intelligent. By the way, what was that in Lance's pee again? And... TUE? I aint' got no TUE. Oh yeah... that TUE. Thanks Doc.

... at the end of the day always ended up as 'first loser' when it really mattered

I don't think historians nor cycling fans will look at Ulle as a loser. Lance... well I hope he's dumb enough to run for public office one day. The dirt-diggers on his opponents' sides will make CN forists seem very very tame. Anyway, enough thread-jacking. This thread is about someone who had the 'cool' factor, something that Lance has always lacked.

By the way - Sydney 2000 was after 1999. Who won?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Facts. Learn them. It will be one small step towards seeming intelligent. By the way, what was that in Lance's pee again? And... TUE? I aint' got no TUE. Oh yeah... that TUE. Thanks Doc.



I don't think historians nor cycling fans will look at Ulle as a loser. Lance... well I hope he's dumb enough to run for public office one day. The dirt-diggers on his opponents' sides will make CN forists seem very very tame. Anyway, enough thread-jacking. This thread is about someone who had the 'cool' factor, something that Lance has always lacked.

By the way - Sydney 2000 was after 1999. Who won?

Did you mean me? I never wrote/said that Ulle wasn´t doping. Just said he and others were the scapegoats, while AC, Piti and Pharmstrong were never penalized.

An otherwise brilliant post. Hope this Epo-Lover (Bragster) goes back to his thread now, instead of spoiling this one.

 

[Black-Balled]

I drink beer for pee-pee on you.
http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/iDyH...est+Golf+Trophy+Party/qdcMsDoDkYN/Jan+Ullrich

 

[pedaling squares]

Did you mean me?

No, I was referring to one-ball-in-my-bagster.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

No, I was referring to one-ball-in-my-bagster.

1+

I am still laughing. Great!

 

[joe_papp]

Don't feed the troll...

Laughable how LA is alway portrayed as the villainous drug cheat and here we have a true, convicted drug cheat being held up as a hero. One reason why these forums are just a joke

Move along folks, move along - don't feed the troll. Nothing to see here. Also, please keep your doping-related opines in the Clinic, where they belong, and refrain from poisoning non-doping-related posts in the General road section, which is supposed to remain free of doped posts...

 

[joe_papp]

That was when EPO wasnt cheating everyone used it.

Doping-related posts belong in the Clinic. Please familiarize yourself with the rules of the forum...

 

[joe_papp]

...Also I am not defending a doper, you are. This is an Ule post, a post about a doper...not an LA post...

Will you please keep the doping-related posts in The Clinic where they belong? This is a thread in the General road section, which by its very nature is supposed to be home to doping-free discussions.

 

[nvpacchi]

I drink beer for pee-pee on you.
http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/iDyH...est+Golf+Trophy+Party/qdcMsDoDkYN/Jan+Ullrich

My all time favorite Jan photo!!

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Bagster: Cool it.

Susan

 

[Angliru]

Laughable how LA is alway portrayed as the villainous drug cheat and here we have a true, convicted drug cheat being held up as a hero. One reason why these forums are just a joke

If these forums are "just a "joke" then why keep making your cameo appearances? Aren't you just contributing to the circus? In some eyes Ullrich is portrayed as a "villainous drug cheat" same as Armstrong. I'm sure there are forums that have a pro Armstrong slant which is apparently what you're more happier with.

I've always been a Jan fan for many of the same reasons stated. He was a humble, flawed athlete who took all the criticism that was constantly thrown his way with great dignity.

 

[Angliru]

Wow silly me, I thought I was talking about tdf wins, I didn't realise that winning a few stages but not the overall race when you are in the race to contend for the GC makes you a champ. You are the one talking the half truths, I was talking tdf wins thats what counts not a couple of stage wins.

Hardly a great comparison given that NFL is a pure team sport while cycling has an individual winner albeit supported by his team. At least 6 times doping? that must be why he incurred all those bans from the sport eh?

Go back to your Ule fantasy... but always the bridesmaid never the bride even when doped up to his eyeballs

I'm struggling to understand why you take it as a personal affront that so many people have a fondness for Ullrich. It is strictly personal according to the majority of the posts why they miss Der Kaiser so what is it that makes someone's fond memories of Ullrich such an upsetting act for you to simply accept?

Calling Ullrich a "loser" and then saying that a champion is measured on his victories and not his losses seems to be more than a bit contradictory.

 

[Michielveedeebee]

Why don't you nominate him for sainthood!
Look,yes he was a real talent but he was also lazy, needed (by his coaches admission) to be externally motivated, undisciplined in his diet and at the end of the day an underachiever. Against LA? well it was a case of 'woulda, coulda, shoulda'...but he never did, which is why LA is a champ and Ule was a very good rider who could perhaps have been a great rider but at the end of the day always ended up as 'first loser' when it really mattered

as i said, he didn't train enough

 

[Berzin]

The only two cats who could have given Armstrong a run for his money during those seven Tour wins-Pantani and Ullrich.

Both lost their focus, and ultimately their careers ended on sour notes.

Which is why I'm looking forward to this year's Tour-someone to definitely kick this idiot's behind and send him packing once and for all.

Jan, what could have been...

 

[trompe le monde]

The only two cats who could have given Armstrong a run for his money during those seven Tour wins-Pantani and Ullrich.

Both lost their focus, and ultimately their careers ended on sour notes.

Which is why I'm looking forward to this year's Tour-someone to definitely kick this idiot's behind and send him packing once and for all.

Jan, what could have been...

I agree about the Pantani and Ullrich bit.

Shame that Jan didn't have quite the same inner psychopath that Armstrong could channel when it came to Le Tour, but maybe that's what made him more endearing, to me anyway.

Was Jan tragically flawed or simply too human? Maybe its just two faces of the same coin in the end. But at least with Ullrich there was no obfuscation, no bull****. Odd thing is that the claims of systemic discrimination and 'hidden agendas' that Armstrong made about the French and their labs were arguably more at home from someone who grew up with part of their existence behind the Iron Curtain in Rostock.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

As someone once noted, if Jan had the training discipline of Zabel, he would have won 10 Tours.

My favorite Jan races were the 1996 Tour, as he was so young, and showed so much promise. And 2003. He was on a very weak team up against LA's USPS powerhouse, but fit, and showed just tremendous heart. He should have won that year.

Always seemed like a likable guy. Hope some day he will honestly tell all, and I think he will when he's ready.

My favorite Jan photo, "The Look, 2":

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

As someone once noted, if Jan had the training discipline of Zabel, he would have won 10 Tours.

My favorite Jan races were the 1996 Tour, as he was so young, and showed so much promise. And 2003. He was on a very weak team up against LA's USPS powerhouse, but fit, and showed just tremendous heart. He should have won that year.

Always seemed like a likable guy. Hope some day he will honestly tell all, and I think he will when he's ready.

My favorite Jan photo, "The Look, 2":

It was said by D´Hont. He´d have won 10 in a clean world...

Yeah, but he showed class when he waited, while the psycho attacked after that sportsmanship. The worst moment of pro cycling. Wish the dictator never got back on the bike that day. He would have "earned it" for all he did to Simeoni, Lemond and Bassons...

When was that? Seems i missed it. Did he won that stage against "the cancer of cycling" (quote: Kimmage)?

 

[ergmonkey]

I will refrain from quoting The Troll directly on this one, but to all those who would use Lance's palmares to put Ullrich down, I simply reply as follows:

1) Lance Armstrong has clearly dominated the Tour like no other rider ever.
2) Any rider who wins the Tour, the Vuelta, two Olympic medals, two Tours de Suisse, the Worlds TT, three national road championships, and finishes on the Tour podium seven times deserves to be called a "great rider".

There can be more than one great rider in a generation. Raymond Poulidor was a great rider.

 

[Neworld]

Did you mean me? I never wrote/said that Ulle wasn´t doping. Just said he and others were the scapegoats, while AC, Piti and Pharmstrong were never penalized.

An otherwise brilliant post. Hope this Epo-Lover (Bragster) goes back to his thread now, instead of spoiling this one.

IF you go to Cycling Forums...there is a blogger there who calls himself "Roadhouse". Roadhouse is either Bagster or his inbred, illiterate, deadbeat brother.

Bagster, this is a thread just talking about Jan, about his attributes on and off the bike. Most cyclists and fans like Jan because he is not a C__t like your hero. Please do not vilify Jan with your vitriolic thoughts. Open up another thread discrediting JU there.

NW

 

[knewcleardaze]

I wonder why in none of the 2005 TdF photos of Ulle, he is not wearing the designation of former World TT Champion? Any insight from folks on here?

 

[The Mayor of BBQ]

This has been stuck on my fridge thru 4-5 moves and it still cracks me up every time I look at it

 

[knewcleardaze]

That's funny!

 

[craig1985]

I wonder why in none of the 2005 TdF photos of Ulle, he is not wearing the designation of former World TT Champion? Any insight from folks on here?

Not on his sunglasses or TT helmet?

 

[Fourier]

The 2003 TDF time trials were insane, clearly he was fit and with something to prove. I still don't understand the break-up with Telekom and the subsequent return. Probably motivated by politics within the team management.