Jay Vine discussion thread

[Monsi]

Jay will be racing the Giro next year, he's not on the startlist on any of the websites but he will be there.

I would've liked to see him at The Tour, but at least this way he will get more rope. Maybe he will go for GC, Mcnulty style.

I honestly thought next year might be the year where he gets to finally ride the Tour but with him riding Giro, it seems unlikely. A bit of a shame. Still hope he maybe gets to do Giro and Tour.

 

[yaco]

Have posted for the last year that if he continues to miss the TDF then he needs to change teams. Nothing has changed.

 

[Cookster15]

Have posted for the last year that if he continues to miss the TDF then he needs to change teams. Nothing has changed.

I am not really across Vine but is he staying at UAE for money? Upon reading your comment just checked Vines age - 30! His career is passing him by.

I definitely think he has much untapped potential as a grand tour rider. I am another who opines Vine's main weakness seemed descending and bike handling which caused him to crash more often and lose time downhill. This in turn likely stems back to his Zwift past. I believe descending skills and confidence can be acquired simply with more time in the saddle and riding in the mountains. But at 30 he is running out of time.

 

[Salvarani]

I dont think he needs to change teams or that not doing Tour is the end or be all here. Im sure he would like to ride it at some point, but I would like to see it is that he is "only" 30 also. That he started quite late or had a different way into a cycling career matters here. He might more interested in getting results and making a good living while he can as a cyclist.

He just had his best season this last season and for the most part managed to stay on his bike for the first time.

Otherwise, he has been quite unreliable. One of the reasons he hasnt raced Tour... and because the competition to be in the Tour for UAE has been brutal.

He also kind of been known to ride for himself a lot. That hasnt benefited him either in terms of being up for selection.

He hasnt even been in contention until now imo, after the season he just had. Rode great for Pog in Lombardia as well. Something that could likely increase his chances to maybe get a chance to go.

It is possible that he is fine riding the same type of schedule this season. He should have more own opportunities continuing that way. Maybe that is more important to him.

I wouldnt rule out him doing Tour completely yet though, but I dont think he can be too mad about missing out either. Unless he has really stated his intention that he wants to go, but doesnt get the chance... despite showing excellent form/level.

At the end of the day, there may other factors involved as well. Team chemistry and whatnot. Who knows.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Vine has been very open in the past about his main driver as a cyclist being money, so unless Jayco are willing to spend stupid amounts to add another Australian big name to their roster I doubt he'll be overly fussed about not getting to do the Tour.

 

[Cycling111]

Vine couldn't be a Tour leader for any team. He suffers too many crashes, and French roads are the most difficult.

 

[yaco]

Vine couldn't be a Tour leader for any team. He suffers too many crashes, and French roads are the most difficult.

The suggestion is that Vine has the level to ride the TDF. There is no suggestion that he should be riding for GC.

 

[Monsi]

Vine couldn't be a Tour leader for any team. He suffers too many crashes, and French roads are the most difficult.

No one's asking him to be a Tour leader or get any top 10 GC place or whatever. At his peak shape, he is good enough to do serious damage in the GC group on the mountains as a pure domestique. Him suffering a lot of crashes should not be a big reason for him to be left out of a Tour team.

 

[saunaking]

The suggestion is that Vine has the level to ride the TDF. There is no suggestion that he should be riding for GC.

Jay Vine is living his best life!!
He could absolutely ride for GC if he cared to. If Movistar has Chad Underpants going for tour GC, Jay Vine could smoke him big time.

 

[Bolder]

Jay Vine is living his best life!!
He could absolutely ride for GC if he cared to. If Movistar has Chad Underpants going for tour GC, Jay Vine could smoke him big time.

Agreed and this is the superteam conundrum. If salaries and resources were better distributed across the peloton Vine would be riding for GC somewhere. There's no incentive for him to do that now.