Jeannie Longo

[luigiV]

Wrinkles? Oh my gosh.

i know mr sarcastic spare tyre! wrinkles arent a way to gauge or judge someones performance etc.. im just saying she looks old and you wouldnt think she can still roll with the best respect to her.... THE END

 

[oldcrank]

In the interests of gender equality

Jeannie Longo, 5th in Worlds TT at age 51.9 (52 in one month). The stench coming from her is as bad as that from Armstrong. La performance d'un extraterrestre.

Surely, she IS the most tested cyclist in history.

 

[Le breton]

lab rat

In the interests of gender equality

Jeannie Longo, 5th in Worlds TT at age 51.9 (52 in one month). The stench coming from her is as bad as that from Armstrong. La performance d'un extraterrestre.

Hi Ratso
Jeannie did not change sex, so that she would be UNE extraterrestre.

Hard is not it for a He Rat to accept the fact that a 52 year old woman could do better that his Ratness himself ?

I had the pleasure of a long discussion with her, her husband and a few more cyclists last time I raced against her and her husband and many others up Joux Plane. I didn't notice any particular odor, but then of course I'm no rat.

 

[hektoren]

Hats off for Jeannie's performance today. She's unique, has been for a long time, and any mention of her in a sentence along with the word "doping" or "dopage" only makes me c0ck my gun.
She's a brilliant woman, bright, lucid, beautiful and charming in addition to having had a career that spans three decades. I'm ever so impressed!

 

[Irish2009]

Longo is a true cycling legend, the reason for her longevity is due to her gender and her ability to totally dedicate herself to the task in hand, & also to the fact there a likely less dopers in female cycling as it's so badly paid.

 

[mewmewmew13]

She was poised to grab the road title at the Los Angeles olympics when Connie Carpenter accidentally destroyed her derailleur just before the start of the 6 women final sprint.

Le breton, check your facts before making a damning statement...This is from the mouth of J Longo-C herself...http://outsideonline.com/outside/magazine/0597/9705longo.html....... And to you other posters..speculating on someone's marriage when you don't know them---really!! Just another opinion for comments of lesser intelligence---wrinkles do not equate to weakness or lack of attractiveness (or maybe lack of wrinkles in the brain..)
just sayin.....thanks

 

[Guttercat]

This is from the mouth of J Longo-C herself...http://outsideonline.com/outside/magazine/0597/9705longo.html.......

Thank you for digging up that article. Excellent piece.

 

[Le breton]

Le breton, check your facts before making a damning statement...This is from the mouth of J Longo-C herself...http://outsideonline.com/outside/magazine/0597/9705longo.html.......

Thanks for the reference.

Sorry miou-miou, I didn't check my facts, but now I just rewired my brain so that I'll henceforth remember it was Canins, not Carpenter.

 

[Benotti69]

Longo is a true cycling legend, the reason for her longevity is due to her gender and her ability to totally dedicate herself to the task in hand, & also to the fact there a likely less dopers in female cycling as it's so badly paid.

I hope so, but where there is competition there are people willing to cheat.

As for Jeannie Longo, when you hear the 'Unbelievable, remarkable, fantastic etc' being talked about an athlete it usually points to one thing. Sadly.

Beryl Burton had a fantastic long career in England too and i cannot imagine her taking a PED.

 

[hiero2]

I hope so, but where there is competition there are people willing to cheat.

As for Jeannie Longo, when you hear the 'Unbelievable, remarkable, fantastic etc' being talked about an athlete it usually points to one thing. Sadly.

Beryl Burton had a fantastic long career in England too and i cannot imagine her taking a PED.

I posted this on another thread - I believe I recall studies that indicated women were physically able to maintain a higher performance level over the years (slower performance decline) than men. Just one more difference in female physiology and men's. If somebody knows more, please feel free to correct or elaborate.

I don't believe Ms Longo's performance is due to PED use, and I hope I am right. The economic motive mentioned is a very powerful argument. To my knowledge, EPO and blood doping are expensive. Steriods are less so, but this was not so true in past years. Asthma-type meds are another story, but they show up in tests pretty readily, I think.

And, while they are banned, I hardly consider caffeine and ephedrine drugs, but that's IMHO. I think one can refine them enough to cross the line from herb to drug, but I think that much is counterproductive, as, eventually, is speed.

 

[hiero2]

Le breton, check your facts before making a damning statement...This is from the mouth of J Longo-C herself...http://outsideonline.com/outside/magazine/0597/9705longo.html....... And to you other posters..speculating on someone's marriage when you don't know them---really!! Just another opinion for comments of lesser intelligence---wrinkles do not equate to weakness or lack of attractiveness (or maybe lack of wrinkles in the brain..)
just sayin.....thanks

Excellent article, excellent. I also enjoyed reading the Carpenter-Phinney quotes, as she was a pretty tough cookie, herself. Very revealing.

Thanks.

 

[Berzin]

To my knowledge, EPO and blood doping are expensive. Steroids are less so, but this was not so true in past years.

This is not true. The most important thing about EPO is having a legitimate pipeline. So let's use the scenario I'm familiar with-

You have a person who works as a pharmaceutical rep or in another capacity within the company.

The stuff is purchased from a person who knows the person who works for the company. Even with the mark-up (pharm. rep. sells for a profit to the person you purchase it from, who also adds a mark-up) a regular working-class Cat. 3 rider can afford enough doses to either peak for two cycles per year or to keep his hematocrit artificially high throughout the season.

I would venture to guess the cost would be around US $1,000 for the year, a little more if you want to go completely bananas.

The price will go up depending on the greed of the person selling it. What I mention is the lowest price I've seen it exchanged for on the black market. EPO is also, like HgH, steroids and cortico-steroids, are easily self-administered, though plunging oneself with those huge needles is not for the squeamish.

A pro will have more disposable income and greater facility to get stuff directly. Blood doping is a different beast altogether, and again it depends on the level of expertise of the people involved and how the blood is stored. This is where and why the cost skyrockets with blood doping, and not something I'm aware that regular amateur riders engage in here in the states. Blood doping is seen as the last frontier due to the logistical difficulties involved. Everything else can be self-administered.

 

[hiero2]

This is not true. The most important thing about EPO is having a legitimate pipeline. So let's use the scenario I'm familiar with-

You have a person who works as a pharmaceutical rep or in another capacity within the company.

The stuff is purchased from a person who knows the person who works for the company. Even with the mark-up (pharm. rep. sells for a profit to the person you purchase it from, who also adds a mark-up) a regular working-class Cat. 3 rider can afford enough doses to either peak for two cycles per year or to keep his hematocrit artificially high throughout the season.

I would venture to guess the cost would be around US $1,000 for the year, a little more if you want to go completely bananas.

The price will go up depending on the greed of the person selling it. What I mention is the lowest price I've seen it exchanged for on the black market. EPO is also, like HgH, steroids and cortico-steroids, are easily self-administered, though plunging oneself with those huge needles is not for the squeamish.

A pro will have more disposable income and greater facility to get stuff directly. Blood doping is a different beast altogether, and again it depends on the level of expertise of the people involved and how the blood is stored. This is where and why the cost skyrockets with blood doping, and not something I'm aware that regular amateur riders engage in here in the states. Blood doping is seen as the last frontier due to the logistical difficulties involved. Everything else can be self-administered.

This is a useful reply. Ok, so 1K $ per year, that's a chunk, but not spectacular, amount. I do remember years ago that cost per year talked about was more like in the tens of thousands. As for pro riders, and "more disposable income", we can rule out Jeannie Longo on that one. She's a woman, they don't get paid much as pros, and Jeannie has a difficult time getting and keeping sponsors. So, money-wise, if she were putting up a thousand a year, it would be a significant investment, and this would increase the value of the risk.

 

[ingsve]

I think her continued success speaks more about the lack of depth in womens cycling.

 

[Roland Rat]

2011 has started well for Jeannie Longo-Ciprelli, who has been promoted to “Commandeur” in the order of the Legion d’Honneur in the New Year awards in France, according to Le Figaro. The 52-year-old took her 57th French national title earlier this year in the time trial, and went on to represent France in the World Championships once more; she finished fifth in the time trial and twelfth in the road race.


Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/6...for-Jeannie-Longo-Ciprelli.aspx#ixzz1AFZOEsXu

Difficult winter saps Frenchwoman of motivation

Fifty-two-year-old Frenchwoman Jeannie Longo has hinted that she is considering retirement. The multiple world champion is considering her future in the sport, saying her participation this season is only a "maybe" and that she is "a bit tired psychologically".

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/longo-no-longer-frightened-by-retirement

It appears someone will be happy...

Other sports have a done a good job ignoring whatever issue they may or may not have; or dealing with it internally

 

[python]

Le breton, check your facts before making a damning statement...This is from the mouth of J Longo-C herself...[b]http://outsideonline.com/outside/magazine/0597/9705longo.htm[/b]l....... And to you other posters..speculating on someone's marriage when you don't know them---really!! Just another opinion for comments of lesser intelligence---wrinkles do not equate to weakness or lack of attractiveness (or maybe lack of wrinkles in the brain..)
just sayin.....thanks

super article !

gee, and this was written in 1997

wrinkles or not, arrogant or not, she's accumulated an unparalleled palmeras for a male or female cyclists and perhaps for any sportsperson.

i can appreciate this woman without ever wanting to be her friend or giving in to sexual stereotyping.

awesome is awesome.

i know of another arrogant super achiever but whom i cant stand.

why more tolerance for longo ? i honestly dont know but she strikes me as a non-manipulative personne arrogante who does not milk others or shy away from her responsibility.

 

[MarkvW]

Dead?

If she were using PEDs her entire professional career she would probably be dead.

I'm not at all convinced that a carefully administered doping program is always unhealthy. I suspect the right program could be quite good for your health.

 

[Darryl Webster]

I think her continued success speaks more about the lack of depth in womens cycling.

Abasalutly 100% on the nail!.

My ex wife was a multi Uk champion in the late 70`s to mid 80`s and as a result I knew the womens scene beter than many. Most races contained a handfull at best of genuinly strong riders and as a result races were often processions of atack/ sit up as less able riders coud often close small gaps but rarely contributed much to the front.
These days those at the top are only a little more numericly and I`d say the standard has risen at the elite leval in line with technology and improved science/ beter rewards . To my Mind Longo has merely remaind in condition, is seriously desciplined and has aways remained slim.
I guess power figures might indicate possible drug use but Ive seen no female data. While I`d never rule out the possibility of consious PED use again I`ve never seen evidence.
As regards her apearance.. she`s a 52 year old lady who has spent most of her life in the elements on a daily basis...for the uninformed womens skin is thinner than male and far more vulnerable to the efects of sun. My mrs who`s 46 has spent much of her life out doors riding and tending horses would give Jeanie a good run for her money on the wrinkles but hey ho gents..when ya next look in the miror remember.." peeps in glass houses....."

 

[Monte Zoncolon]

Remember the great Amateur Beryl Burton. She was a superb athlete. Had huge success in both the road and track Cycling world championship. Loads of national time trial record's. Most of which stood for about twenty Years.

In the 1960's she set a new British Record of 277.25 miles for the twelve hour Time Trial. This record surpassed the men's Record for the same event, and wasn't beaten by a man, until two Years later. And I think it still stand's to this day as the women's record.

She even got an invitation to ride in the men's 1967 Grand Prix des Nations. She finished only minutes behind the winner.

 

[Le breton]

............

To my Mind Longo has merely remaind in condition, is seriously desciplined and has aways remained slim.

Well, actually, until around 1982-84 she was a bit chubby, maybe as much as 10kg more than now. That's what I remember from the first time (maybe in 82) I entered a race where she was competing, that was a 2,3,4 cat event in Savigny (Haute-Savoie). If she is 47 kg now, she could well have been 55 kg then. Still, she finished 6th on a rather hilly race. Of course she was the only woman in the field.
Patrice Ciprelli probably is the one who told her that if she wanted to win the Tour de France féminin, against Canins, she had to slim down.

 

[Oldman]

I think her continued success speaks more about the lack of depth in womens cycling.

Totally. She also seems to have selected her events carefully so, even if she did do a program; it wouldn't be full blown year after year.
The same could be true for Men's cycling should some serious atheletes from other sports magically become cyclists. It's been much debated but the combination of above average athletic talent, intelligence and drive can make a pro rider. A world beater would have superlative athletic talent and that seems to describe Longo.

 

[D-Queued]

Abasalutly 100% on the nail!.

... While I`d never rule out the possibility of consious PED use again I`ve never seen evidence.

Ever see any female athlete that appeared to be unusually strong in their performances?

From the report on the Stasi program:

Remarkable rates of increase in performances were also noted in the swimming events of women... . From our experiences made so far it can be concluded that women have the greatest advantage from treatments with anabolic hormones with respect to their performance in sports

Dave.

 

[MacRoadie]

Ever see any female athlete that appeared to be unusually strong in their performances?

I feel me some Tammy Thomas a-comin'!

 

[BotanyBay]

I think her continued success speaks more about the lack of depth in womens cycling.

I agree with this too. In the USA, there is not a single elite criterium event where we can put more than 75 women in the pack who'll actually stay together as one group. We might be able to attract more than 75 riders, but the pack always splinters. There's just no depth to the talent pool.

Jeannie is like Thurlow. She's never really stopped racing. So any drop in power output has happened slowly at best. I'd imagine that if she were to take 3 years off NOW, we'd see a different situation when she tried coming back.

If Carpenter had never stopped racing, we'd see the two of them duking it out just as often.

 

[Oldman]

I feel me some Tammy Thomas a-comin'!

There should be some way to make you pay for this...my oatmeal is coming up.