Jennie Longo pulls a Rasmussen

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…found some new factual bits with possible answers to my previous questions.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/more/09/09/French-cyclist-Longo-doping.ap/index.html

The official, who was not authorized to speak publicly on the matter and spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity, said one no-show was in France, when Longo was not where she said she would be when testers went to find her.
The other no-show was in the U.S., as L'Equipe indicated, the official said. The third case was not a no-show but rather Longo failing to properly complete the requirements that athletes keep anti-doping agencies informed of their whereabouts


Longo's attorney, Ravaz, explained away the three violations, saying a strike at French gas stations kept her from getting to where she was expected on one occasion.
The second violation occurred when "the person in charge of administering the test couldn't find her father's chalet in Saint-Gervais," France, Ravaz said, adding that "in between, she passed tests."
"She received a third warning following a test that strangely happened on her last day in the United States just as she was coming back to France the following day to take part in a race,"
 

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Jeannie is 54 years old.
If she serves a 2 year ban, she will be 56 when it is over.

Won't this effectively end her career?


Jeannie4Ever!
 
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She's 52. You need to get the easy stuff right, Polish, or it will damage your credibi...actually, never mind.
 

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L'Etranger said:
She's 52. You need to get the easy stuff right, Polish, or it will damage your credibi...actually, never mind.


Oh right, like Jeannie does not lie about her age lol.

L'Etranger, posting in the Clinic requires extraordinairy detective skills.
There is NO "easy stuff". Easy stuff is for the other forums....

Friendly advice - do not take anything at face value in the Clinic.
Especially if the face is on a big head.
 
joe_papp said:
I sometimes find it enjoyable still to discuss current events here in The Clinic, but I can't be lured into precipitously divulging information or evidence here that must come from other sources or is slated for publishing elsewhere (or releasing by authorized hands).

Nobody wants to lure you. Remember: You lure other people.
 
Le Monde reports that in an interview with l'Equipe Joe Papp says that Patrice Ciprelli bought EPO from him in 2007, specifying that it was for his wife. There are copies of e-mails to this effect. Jeannie Longo's name wasn't used, and Patrice Ciprelli was the trainer for other cyclists at the time.

http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article...use-d-avoir-achete-de-l-epo_1571320_3242.html

I think it is no longer unreasonable to think that yet another cycling "legend" earned their palmares by doping.
 
frenchfry said:
Le Monde reports that in an interview with l'Equipe Joe Papp says that Patrice Ciprelli bought EPO from him in 2007, specifying that it was for his wife. There are copies of e-mails to this effect. Jeannie Longo's name wasn't used, and Patrice Ciprelli was the trainer for other cyclists at the time.

http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article...use-d-avoir-achete-de-l-epo_1571320_3242.html

I think it is no longer unreasonable to think that yet another cycling "legend" earned their palmares by doping.

Hello Frenchfry.
I obviously will buy L'Equipe today as it sings the glory of an important contributor to this forum, Joe Paap. Was he called Papa Joe, the pope of epo, on eposino.com?
Anyway, he never got the honors(?) of L'Equipe in his cycling career, but now at last he makes it, a world sporting glory.
Never mind that nobody was asking him anything, never mind the fact that as the alledged transaction occured in 2007 it will not lead anywhere - statute of limitation - this was his chance at international fame.

Maybe he is advertising himself to start a new business when his current problems are over, in 2020.
 
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Lets try to keep this on the topic of Longo's current situation rather than expanding into character assassinations of Joe...

Joe has his own thread elsewhere.
 
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Le breton said:
Hello Frenchfry.
I obviously will buy L'Equipe today as it sings the glory of an important contributor to this forum, Joe Paap. Was he called Papa Joe, the pope of epo, on eposino.com?
Anyway, he never got the honors(?) of L'Equipe in his cycling career, but now at last he makes it, a world sporting glory.
Never mind that nobody was asking him anything, never mind the fact that as the alledged transaction occured in 2007 it will not lead anywhere - statute of limitation - this was his chance at international fame.

Maybe he is advertising himself to start a new business when his current problems are over, in 2020.

when you start assassinating people like Joe Papp the omerta will never die with collaborators like yourself.
 
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normally spared for their printed edition, l’equipe on-line has published a series of devastating details including an interview with papp and hard copies of compromising e-mails.

Papp et Ciprelli sortent de l'ombre
(papp and ciprelli revealed)
http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/breves2011/20110912_212148_papp-et-ciprelli-sortent-de-l-ombre.html

«J'ai vendu de l'EPO à Ciprelli»
(papp,‘I sold epo to ciprelli’)
http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/breves2011/20110912_214549_-j-ai-vendu-de-l-epo-a-ciprelli.html

Les mails qui accusent
(compromising correspondence)
http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/breves2011/20110912_235610_les-mails-qui-accusent.html
 
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Benotti69 said:
no need to shut up, but no need to direct your anger at Papp. He is no longer part of the problem but part of the solution. 😉

big +1.

still too many seem to be unable to make this subtle nuance with regard to whistleblowers like papp and landis.
 
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At least Joe Papp has the balls to willingly discuss this on this forum. Obviously there are things he can't say, but it would be easy for him not to appear on him.

Back on topic, this really doesn't surprise me about Longo, really how she any different from some Masters racer in the States who gets popped for doping?
 
python said:
normally spared for their printed edition, l’equipe on-line has published a series of devastating details including an interview with papp and hard copies of compromising e-mails.

Papp et Ciprelli sortent de l'ombre
(papp and ciprelli revealed)
http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/breves2011/20110912_212148_papp-et-ciprelli-sortent-de-l-ombre.html

«J'ai vendu de l'EPO à Ciprelli»
(papp,‘I sold epo to ciprelli’)
http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/breves2011/20110912_214549_-j-ai-vendu-de-l-epo-a-ciprelli.html

Les mails qui accusent
(compromising correspondence)
http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/breves2011/20110912_235610_les-mails-qui-accusent.html

Unlike all those new trends in consumer electronics, Longo must have been very aware of PEDs in her career. She trained Virenque at TTing. She has a doctorate in sports management.

Yet I cannot understand her motivation at all. What is it that drives a woman of over 50 years of age to continue competing against kids less than half her age? Does she really need it that much?
 
craig1985 said:
At least Joe Papp has the balls to willingly discuss this on this forum. Obviously there are things he can't say, but it would be easy for him not to appear on him.

Back on topic, this really doesn't surprise me about Longo, really how she any different from some Masters racer in the States who gets popped for doping?

This same question came to me. Quite pathetic that she dopes at her age for what? Maybe it's for the money, French athletes get cash for medals. Maybe she should think about getting a life.
 
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like armstrong, she could and should have quit long time ago and go into the history books as a legend, rather than as a historical fraud.
 
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L'Etranger said:
Today she is pulling out the "most tested athlete ever" line. Am I the only one who finds this has a credibility effect opposite to the one intended? What next, she has done too much good for too many people?

Hehehehe! Yup - it should be required instruction for the "Athlete's Public Contact 101" course to never use this line. It is a swan song - the fat lady singing - the charge of the Light Brigade = a pure admission that as soon as the evidence comes out they will have no leg to stand on.

What a shame. I seem to remember research results I read some 40 years ago that women peaked later or maintained physically better longer (over a lifetime) than men. So I was hoping that Jeannie was just an illustration of this. Even considering the EPO, she may be, although she is also exceptional individually.

On a related subject, only slightly OT, there was a thread where a poster maligned Joe Papp. As we see today, Joe is connected to this case. I think the whole thread got pulled shortly after it was put up - and rightly so, since the whole purpose of the post was to malign another poster. Imho, we should be thanking Joe and giving him our accolades. We were waiting for years for the people who would finally, and truly, break through the omerta. Now we have several - one was not enough. Joe is playing an important part in that. For that, we owe him a debt of gratitude.

Unless you are like Anquetil, willing to publicly speak in favor of doping.

Mods: this comment will certainly lead to a flame war. I do not believe this comment itself to be inflammatory, or I would not post it. I do humbly request that, if the thread degenerates, you only censure the flamers, and not the whole thread. [Of course, perhaps I am only flattering myself since I see others have now also posted pro-Joe comments. ]

My best regards to all;
hiero
 
Perhaps we should not overlook the good we're learning here.

An absolute world class athlete, with likely exceptionally broad knowledge of doping culture and practices, finds herself resorting to sourcing her EPO from a shoddy webshop. You don't throw your name to the wolves unless you're running out of options.
Going to Papp surely wasn't a choice of convenience?

In 2009 of 2010, a Dutch runner (Adrienne Herzog) according to Op Galgo documents, asked her trainer Pascua for EPO. Even though according to her leaked (boyfriend) emails dating from 2008, she was well acquainted with the stuff, knew how to administer it to herself.

Newsflash: it's not so easy to get the good stuff anymore. Previous sources must have run dry, quit the business, or otherwise. Either way, we see Longo buying EPO online.
Or, would she just have been a loner, figuring it all out by herself? sure seems to have the smarts for it.
That may be her official story, by the time she confesses in 2025. Who'll pay her to stick to that story?

How did she fare in the typical EPO era where Lemond and Fignon find themselves mid-pack up mountains?
 

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frenchfry said:
I think it is no longer unreasonable to think that yet another cycling "legend" earned their palmares by doping.

Jeannie Longo became a legend before EPO lol.
World Road Race Champ in 85, 86, 87, 89, 95.

She was not "transformed by EPO"
She was not a "donkey".

She was phenomanal.
She is phenomanal.
France strives to have more Jeannies and fewer internet PED Dealers.
They have their priorities in order.
 
Polish said:
Jeannie Longo became a legend before EPO lol.
World Road Race Champ in 85, 86, 87, 89, 95.

She was not "transformed by EPO"
She was not a "donkey".

She was phenomanal.
She is phenomanal.
France strives to have more Jeannies and fewer internet PED Dealers.
They have their priorities in order.

Being, say, 2 years ahead of the competition in medical preparation will help you a long way. Especially since the better dopers are ahead of testers. She got caught on missed tests. Exposed by a former dealer. Either before or after the test. She may have been targeted due to appearing on papp's list. Overplayed her cards? Both Papp's country and the same sport. Makes you really close to the edge of the lions' pit.
 

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Cloxxki said:
Being, say, 2 years ahead of the competition in medical preparation will help you a long way. Especially since the better dopers are ahead of testers. She got caught on missed tests. Exposed by a former dealer. Either before or after the test. She may have been targeted due to appearing on papp's list. Overplayed her cards? Both Papp's country and the same sport. Makes you really close to the edge of the lions' pit.

Missed tests when she was over 50 years old.
Targeted by AARP.

This is another high profile witch hunt.
Very sad and very stupid.

Jeannie4ever.
 
hiero2 said:
Hehehehe! Yup - it should be required instruction for the "Athlete's Public Contact 101" course to never use this line. It is a swan song - the fat lady singing - the charge of the Light Brigade = a pure admission that as soon as the evidence comes out they will have no leg to stand on.

What a shame. I seem to remember research results I read some 40 years ago that women peaked later or maintained physically better longer (over a lifetime) than men. So I was hoping that Jeannie was just an illustration of this. Even considering the EPO, she may be, although she is also exceptional individually.

On a related subject, only slightly OT, there was a thread where a poster maligned Joe Papp. As we see today, Joe is connected to this case. I think the whole thread got pulled shortly after it was put up - and rightly so, since the whole purpose of the post was to malign another poster. Imho, we should be thanking Joe and giving him our accolades. We were waiting for years for the people who would finally, and truly, break through the omerta. Now we have several - one was not enough. Joe is playing an important part in that. For that, we owe him a debt of gratitude.

Unless you are like Anquetil, willing to publicly speak in favor of doping.

Mods: this comment will certainly lead to a flame war. I do not believe this comment itself to be inflammatory, or I would not post it. I do humbly request that, if the thread degenerates, you only censure the flamers, and not the whole thread. [Of course, perhaps I am only flattering myself since I see others have now also posted pro-Joe comments. ]

My best regards to all;
hiero

not a flame war at all, you're just unaware of the facts and it's an honest mistake. the short short version... joe tested positive and recieved a ban. he claimed to have learned his lesson and presented himself as being strongly antidoping. he even testified against landis during this time and there really isn't anything wrong with that. the only problem is that he forgot to stop selling drugs and plenty of them. joe didn't really change his ways until after federal investigators established an air tight case against him. joe doesn't deserve accolades. he isn't anything close to an antidoping hero. he is occassionally helpful because there is so much leverage over him.

i feel he should post anonymously. he could contribute very positively to discussion in the same spirit as everyone else without a thread deteriorating into side discussions about his character issues but i'm not sure he wants that.