Jessica Zelinka

[D-Queued]

Exactly.
Threads like this are what is bothering me about the Clinic. I hate dopers, but I also hate ignorant people who throw around accusations with no common sense whatsoever. So it's impossible to have a clean athlete with low body fat + muscle? Visible abs are impossible without doping? Only evidence that is needed is appearance? What is wrong with you people?

We are in denial.

Oh, wait, that is your handle.

Dave.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I think this contrast shows what I expect to see in a woman athlete - naivety on my behalf aside:

 

[hiero2]

Exactly.
Threads like this are what is bothering me about the Clinic. I hate dopers, but I also hate ignorant people who throw around accusations with no common sense whatsoever. So it's impossible to have a clean athlete with low body fat + muscle? Visible abs are impossible without doping? Only evidence that is needed is appearance? What is wrong with you people?

We are in denial.

Oh, wait, that is your handle.

Dave.

When I was a teen, I was on the local swim team. Most of the guys had some ab delineation, but nobody had such a low body fat they were ripped like a body builder. I don't think any of the women showed ab lines at all. This was in a beach community, so we had the surfers, too. No ab cuts showing on the women there. This was pre-steroids.

I would fully expect Ennis and the first female pic in this thread to be amenorrheic. I know some of the change in body styles, for women, is lifestyle and expectations, but yeah, when you see so many athletes so cut and ripped? I can't help but think there is some drug protocol going on there. It's just TOO much to be "real".

And, yeah DQ is right, the quality of the routine and stack makes a diff. Back to Tammy - even though she had the best in the day - they've come a ways since then. Doses are more refined - but Tammy was also out of control and dosing hard to win because she wasn't cutting it on a "good" dose.

Oddly, while I don't doubt the deductions about Ostapchuk, her body type is visually less like a 'roid model, and more like a traditional female "heavy" athlete - i.e. one competing in a strength event, like shotput. But you can go either way you want, all depending on how you handle it.

 

[truesport]

I'm not into track and field, but this post breaks her performance down into parts.

This means in fact Ennis out through Jenner reaching a staggering .83 meters per kg of body mass versus Jenner at .79 meters per kg of body mass.

http://www.zephyrglobalreport.com/wordpress/?p=11881

But WHAT A SHOW!!!!! GOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLDDDDDDD!!!!!

aside from how poorly that article is written, it is also amazingly incompetent.

Author himself describes how Jenner achieved what he did with no support, while holding down another job...

not to mention that he was training/competing over 30 years ago.

CLEARLY it's IMPOSSIBLE that a full-time, fully funded athlete, who has the same dedication and relentless desire that Jenner did, who gets to benefit from 30+ years of improved training/recovery/nutrition/sports psych/ could not possibly throw a javelin further/per KG of body weight...

guess that all the female swimmers winning gold in 2012, whose times when adjusted to body weight/muscle mass, would put Mark Spitz to shame, must all be on dope too, right?

idiotic and uneducated blogs are a poor excuse for proof...

 

[truesport]

I think this contrast shows what I expect to see in a woman athlete - naivety on my behalf aside:

just lack of knowledge/information...

you're comparing two athletes at almost the opposite end of their careers. Zelinka has been competing as a senior internationally for over a decade, Theisen for 2 years.

Go look up a picture of any pro male athlete, at the beginning of their career, and hold it up next to the picture of a 30+ athlete in the same sport (who is also at the elite level)... you'll see the same kind of comparison... the development of muscle mass, and the reduction of body fat, takes years of elite training/diet/dedication.


and really, even with athletes the same age, in the same sport, you can find huge variances in muscle tone...
not to mention that heptathlon, if you know anything about it, has a HUGE variety of body types since some girls excel in different events

last two olympic champs side by side...

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=dobr...nh=174&tbnw=290&start=26&ndsp=29&tx=32&ty=109

 

[truesport]

I see you just joined up, are you her agent, or just a BIG fan? Not saying she is definitely on the juice but it sure sure sure looks like it.

her too? (soccer)
http://www.ultimatenzsoccer.com/8fd7cc20.jpg

or what about her? (45 year old swimmer)
http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=...Oz_2BALoZZFB40c4N-111wzw&ust=1361689716736564

 

[coinneach]

I am genuinely interested - and if truesport says 100% clean, then great, that's amazing.

Her face looks remarkably feminine - which was the bit that confused me, to be honest. The Belarusian shotputter and Tammy Thomas are the standouts for me when it comes to 'roid abuse.

For the record, no, I do not think anyone who's been here more than a week would say Wiggins is my "hero", just FYI, truesport. I don't have any sporting heroes at all.

yep: I would, though I still hope I have an open mind about Sky/Leinders.

Sport without heros is like music without rythem

 

[Dear Wiggo]

yep: I would, though I still hope I have an open mind about Sky/Leinders.

You would say Wiggins was my hero?

 

[Fatclimber]

I think this contrast shows what I expect to see in a woman athlete - naivety on my behalf aside:

Some people are "at the ready" when there's cameras nearby, plus she might be at the end of an exhale which helps with the tum tum flex. The girl on the left might be in full inhale lance armstrong belly breathing style.

It's pushing the limits of natural believability, but not as much as this:

(First attempt at posting a photo)

Awwwwwww, didn't work

 

[Dear Wiggo]

It's pushing the limits of natural believability, but not as much as this:

(First attempt at posting a photo)

Awwwwwww, didn't work

Post the link?

 

[sniper]

100% clean.

it's called actual muscly mass + ridiculously low body fat + competition shape + action (or in this case immediately post-race) shot

dedicated training, focused & restricted diet, and good genes... that's it.

You'd think people pretending to be athletes would have a clue about what the human body can look like with the right combination of effort, discipline & dedication.

and to top it off, those abs are without doing any kind of crazy abdominal workouts, just sport specific training (and far less volume/hours than your average cyclist would log).

the abs are what happens when you actually develop a functionally strong body.

why wouldn't she dope? is she stupid?

 

[sideshadow]

why wouldn't she dope? is she stupid?

+1.
I don't think you can necessarily say a person is doping/cheating based on appearance, but I would say >70% Olympic athletes cheat, imo. The difference between top 3 and top 50 in the WORLD is the difference between getting millions of dollars or getting a free pair of running shoes. And both groups probably work equally hard.

Sports without the same level of testing as cycling shouldn't even pretend that their athletes are clean.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Obviously I don't know the full story behind testing at World champs vs Olympics, but I found the following somewhat telling:

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/other-sport/hayles-will-find-it-hard-to-watch-962648
Hayles dismisses speculation that selectors were scared of a repeat of his world championship blood testing problems.

"Initially, it crossed my mind. But I'm pretty much sure that's not the case now.

"Besides, they don't do the same testing at the Olympics, they did before the Worlds.

Olympics are much better money spinners than World champs, right?

 

[alitogata]

I would say not a chance in hell she's clean but some will flame me for it.

Not me.. And I wonder .. those who do doping controls do or they don't have eyes to see something so obvious ?

 

[alitogata]

Exactly.
Threads like this are what is bothering me about the Clinic. I hate dopers, but I also hate ignorant people who throw around accusations with no common sense whatsoever. So it's impossible to have a clean athlete with low body fat + muscle? Visible abs are impossible without doping? Only evidence that is needed is appearance? What is wrong with you people?

It is impossible for women because women's physiology doesn't allow them to have such muscle mass by their own training and efforts. This is how women's body is made and being a woman athlete from my youth I can assure you that there's no chance to have such appearance without doping.

 

[veganrob]

her too? (soccer)
http://www.ultimatenzsoccer.com/8fd7cc20.jpg

or what about her? (45 year old swimmer)
http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=...Oz_2BALoZZFB40c4N-111wzw&ust=1361689716736564

You're not actually going to post about Dara Torres are you. LMAO.

 

[FitSsikS]

You're not actually going to post about Dara Torres are you. LMAO.

No kidding!

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

LOL. Just got a nasty PM from topsport. Guess that's Jesse Zelinka's handle.

 

[FitSsikS]

LOL. Just got a nasty PM from topsport. Guess that's Jesse Zelinka's handle.

Oh dear...

Let me try to help, I'm a fan of Jesse.

Couple of things:

1) I'm sure she has been an athletic 'freak' her whole life

2) A T/E below 4 and you are good to go.

3) Many Canadian women look like that. For example, take a look at Angie -

She just bought a doorway chin up bar and has been doing "10 Minute Abs" for a few weeks.

Oh crap, my wife just came from shopping...she told me if she caught me on the internet...gotta go!

 

[Cloxxki]

Friend of mine is 6 years older and a world class masters track athlete. She certainly looks like that, light a featerweight body builder, and is very clean indeed. If takes determination though, and you can't be like that all year. It's not a fun diet, and not a light training regime. And it doesn't guarantee world class time senior times.
This lady looks OK compared to Marit Bjoergen. And Bjoergen is winning races over an hour in duration, against the best of the best of lean women.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Amazing that only recently people have discovered that diet, exercise, and determination can lead to looking like that.

Not normal.

 

[armchairclimber]

I don't know about the Canadian girl. I do know that I, and even my good chum Dear Wiggo, would be ripped if we followed Jess Ennis' training regime. It's brutal.

I was thinking about two athletes I have...under 20s, both elite standard and fairly closely matched (GB representatives). One is ripped with amazing abdominal definition and very low % body fat. The other carries much more condition when they stand next to each other with shirts off (which they do often). They're both middle distance/endurance runners and neither does much in the way of weight training. Just different body types.

Edit: Both are as clean as a whistle.

 

[frenchfry]

aside from how poorly that article is written, it is also amazingly incompetent.

Author himself describes how Jenner achieved what he did with no support, while holding down another job...

not to mention that he was training/competing over 30 years ago.

CLEARLY it's IMPOSSIBLE that a full-time, fully funded athlete, who has the same dedication and relentless desire that Jenner did, who gets to benefit from 30+ years of improved training/recovery/nutrition/sports psych/ could not possibly throw a javelin further/per KG of body weight...

guess that all the female swimmers winning gold in 2012, whose times when adjusted to body weight/muscle mass, would put Mark Spitz to shame, must all be on dope too, right?

idiotic and uneducated blogs are a poor excuse for proof...

Indeed, horrible grammar:

This means in fact Ennis out through Jenner

 

[Benotti69]

+1.
I don't think you can necessarily say a person is doping/cheating based on appearance, but I would say >70% Olympic athletes cheat, imo. The difference between top 3 and top 50 in the WORLD is the difference between getting millions of dollars or getting a free pair of running shoes. And both groups probably work equally hard.

Sports without the same level of testing as cycling shouldn't even pretend that their athletes are clean.

Sports without any decent level of testing shouldn't even pretend that their athletes are clean.

The level of testing in cycling is a joke!

 

[Benotti69]

If you look at this photo with her head cropped out, it looks like a man.