Joe Papp Doping Timeline

[BroDeal]

i disagree.

unless the conversation is about chrisE, or his sock puppets, or his avatar or his pissinging match with buckwheet, every thread he enters is dead smack on topic... (well again im being optimistic) provided his sparring pardner oncearunner (or one of his sock puppets - 6 so far by one moderator count) managed to survive a moderating gap due to continental time differences.

lets hope he respects the short leash alp told him to his face.

That is a long list of "ifs". There is not much left when those are taken out.

 

[FrankDrack]

If someone has a specific question, please contact me directly. I'm happy to address uncertainties concerning the facts of the "timeline", thereby freeing you from the need to speculate here.



I'm so over being baited by haters that I won't even be reading those posts. Like I said though, if someone has a question concerning those facts already in the public record, please contact me directly. Lastly, no one here - especially my friends and supporters - should feel the need to defend me against pointless trolling. Don't waste your time or your energy.

Thanks, I will email you.

 

[ChrisE]

That is a long list of "ifs". There is not much left when those are taken out.

Easy, flock of bro brothers bro deal.

I'm just here to fit in. No need for you and python to gang up on me. The OP asked a legitimate question, factual even, and he gets slammed.

What type of open discussion is this?

BTW, it's good to hear from you.

 

[hrotha]

Okay, I just finished reading that other thread. Why didn't anybody warn me that the date issue wasn't resolved at all one way or another? GAH, I say.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

...oncearunner (or one of his sock puppets - 6 so far by one moderator count) managed to survive a moderating gap due to continental time differences...

He's currently serving a ban on all of his accounts. He wrote us a long PM apologizing and said he's willing to be banned for a while and behave when he comes back. He broke so many rules we're not entirely ready to let him back, if ever. If he does, it won't likely be until after the season ends.

Both Chris E and The Hog also barely escaped very long bans until the end of the season, or longer.

After reading much of this thread, I'm not really in the mood to be pushed, so if someone really is in the mindset to get banned, go ahead and post a bunch of insults or trollilng nonsense today. Just in case no one is sure what that means, rules and guidelines can be found here.

 

[ChrisE]

He's currently serving a ban on all of his accounts. He wrote us a long PM apologizing and said he's willing....QUOTE]

Just curious.....I could not even log in to get to my account to write a PM. How do you write a PM while on ban?

 

[MacRoadie]

The fact that the Op had a question about Joe, in and of it's self, is not the issue. Certainly, there is a connection between Joe and doping at Rock Racing, and Rock Racing is certainly a prominent part of the Novotzky investigation. In that regard, the nature of Joe's activities certainly is an appropriate Clinic topic.

While Joe has friends and supporters here, no one is suggesting that what he did wasn't wrong or that he should be applauded for his actions.

The point of contention I have is with the specific nature of the OP's question: it had nothing to do with what he sold, how he sold it, or to who he sold it: all questions of a highly probabtive nature and geared towards forwarding the discussion of the greater case. Instead, it had to do with the OP's "perceived" confusion over a timeline that has been published and discussed and clarified already in this forum.

Adding to that, the OP would have us believe that the impetus for his question arose from his reading of a Pez Cycling article on Joe. The problem there is that the article in question is a year old and would require the use of a serach function to find: tools also readily available on this forum as well.

We are left to believe that the OP "stumbled' across a year old story on Papp that was likely found by means of a search feature on their website but, rather than performing a similar search here, the OP chose to create a thread.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Just curious.....I could not even log in to get to my account to write a PM. How do you write a PM while on ban?

You can't.

He was able to send us a PM because he had like five sock puppets (you know, like your' "Dickwrench"). We just had not gotten around to banning them all by the time he sent us the PM.

You can however contact admins at CN if you wish to plead your case with them at any time.

Just in case someone didn't read or understand the rules, creating a sock puppet is grounds for a permanent ban.

 

[ChrisE]

You can't.

He was able to send us a PM because he had like five sock puppets (you know, like your' "Dickwrench"). We just had not gotten around to banning them all by the time he sent us the PM.

You can however contact admins at CN if you wish to plead your case with them at any time.

Just in case someone didn't read or understand the rules, creating a sock puppet is grounds for a permanent ban.

Wow, it's not like OAR to do a pre-emptive pleading PM to not get banned on a username that had not been banned yet. That's pretty funny. Kinda like turning yourself in to the cops before they knew a crime was committed. I didn't realize he had the ethics within him.

 

[Polish]

http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=7809

Frank, that article does not make any comments about Joe selling EPO and HGH.

Seems the author (and bikepure) were still in the dark about the dealing.
Joe does not mention the dealing in that article.

"in early 2007, a wavering Papp met with Travis Tygart, who heads up USADA – the US Anti-Doping Agency. Tygart made soothing noises, telling Papp that coming clean promised him relief and redemption. The timing was fortuitous, and at the right moment a broken athlete came clean."

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Strange that we're talking about OAR coming clean in this thread. I feel this strange kinship with Tygart about now...

Not to sound blunt, but this entire thread could have been avoided if some people did their homework. This topic and details are on the web, and have been hashed over several times on here. The search featureworks quite well.

 

[FrankDrack]

Frank, that article does not make any comments about Joe selling EPO and HGH.

Seems the author (and bikepure) were still in the dark about the dealing.
Joe does not mention the dealing in that article.

"in early 2007, a wavering Papp met with Travis Tygart, who heads up USADA – the US Anti-Doping Agency. Tygart made soothing noises, telling Papp that coming clean promised him relief and redemption. The timing was fortuitous, and at the right moment a broken athlete came clean."

I am sorry for the confusion. In that post I was replying to a question about a Pez article.

In my OP I was simply trying to understand the timeline to see if I had it correct. It seemed weird that the Pez article in late 2009, along with a follow-up Pez Q&A with Joe in early 2010, made it seem like Joe came clean in early 2007 but then I read of his guilty plea in Feb 2010 and that covered the period up to September 2007. Nothing made sense to me.

Before I made any conclusions I wanted to make sure that I understood the timeline.

After reading the Joe Papp pleads guilty to distributing drugs, pt 2 thread: http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=6058&page=32

I am still a bit confused about the timeline. In a posting from Joe on the thread he points to a blog post for more information. A quote from the Blog: “Burt Hoovis: Be careful about the time line. Right now the prosecutor can basically say anything they want in the press release without fear of contradiction, as the defendant has to keep his/her mouth shut until sentencing else it could impact the punishment.”

This implies that the timeline is wrong. There might be administrative/legal reasons to include the period up until September 2007… who knows. I sent an email to Joe asking him to explain the inconsistences.

 

[FrankDrack]

Strange that we're talking about OAR coming clean in this thread. I feel this strange kinship with Tygart about now...

Not to sound blunt, but this entire thread could have been avoided if some people did their homework. This topic and details are on the web, and have been hashed over several times on here. The search featureworks quite well.

I admit that I could have done a better job of searching but even after doing all of the research I am still confused.

In your mind is it a fact that Joe conspired to distribute performance-enhancing drugs after he came clean to Travis Tygart in early 2007 and testified at the Landis hearing on May 18th 2007?

The response that he gave in the Joe Papp pleads guilty to distributing drugs, pt 2 thread on March 10, 2010 creates some confusion He points to a blog that says to be careful about the timeline, that the prosecutor can basically say anything they want in the press release.

 

[Elagabalus]

Frank Drack also showed up at the same time Frank Grimes was being banned for being BPC. Tread carefully.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Yeah, aware of that.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

I admit that I could have done a better job of searching but even after doing all of the research I am still confused.

So, what has prevented you from contacting Joe and asking him directly? Wouldn't it make more sense to do just that, especially since he offered, than to repeatedly post the same question over and over on here?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I admit that I could have done a better job of searching but even after doing all of the research I am still confused.

In your mind is it a fact that Joe conspired to distribute performance-enhancing drugs after he came clean to Travis Tygart in early 2007 and testified at the Landis hearing on May 18th 2007?

The response that he gave in the Joe Papp pleads guilty to distributing drugs, pt 2 thread on March 10, 2010 creates some confusion He points to a blog that says to be careful about the timeline, that the prosecutor can basically say anything they want in the press release.

It doesn't sound like you are at all confused - in fact it sounds deliberate.

The timeline you have offered is well known, and yes Joe was operating a site after he testified in the Landis hearing.

 

[FrankDrack]

So, what has prevented you from contacting Joe and asking him directly? Wouldn't it make more sense to do just that, especially since he offered, than to repeatedly post the same question over and over on here?

I did send him an email about the discrepancy.

I was trying to answer questions here about my motivation.

 

[FrankDrack]

Frank Drack also showed up at the same time Frank Grimes was being banned for being BPC. Tread carefully.

Not Frank Grimes.

 

[bobs nob]

If this thread.....

If this thread, which for some stupid reason, I have just skimmed through, was a dog, I'd shoot the poor wretch, bury it in a rainstorm on a moonless night and then sleep very, very well.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Well, we should form a club to counteract the club of the miserable, or whatever it is called. How about the "Reasonable Rascals"?

How about the Club Willing to Argue for Days Without Ever Really Taking a Stand?
The moto could be "I'm open minded, but ready to argue every point you try to make".

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

How about the Club Willing to Argue for Days Without Ever Really Taking a Stand?

We already have one dedicated to that topic.

 

[python]

He's currently serving a ban on all of his accounts. He wrote us a long PM apologizing and said he's willing to be banned for a while and behave when he comes back. He broke so many rules we're not entirely ready to let him back, if ever...

sorry for this offopic, alp but i had to make it public..

good luck alp with oncearunner8/or 7 other of his sock puppets.

i’m totally sincere and respectful of what you, susan, bala, barus and the other mods do here. I mean it !

at the same time, a low-post count member at cn wrote to me that oncearunner is a dangerous, insincere fake, a person who after similar apologies went as far as trying to make public such personal information as private emails, last and first names, professional connections and associations, place of residence... of the other forum (DPF) members he hated on. Just saying and will provide more with links and proof if you (or any other moderator cares to inquire).

Both Chris E and... barely escaped very long bans

look both of them are passionate fans. both are witty and active. there is a difference though. the hog is rarely ranting about himself, his sock puppets or his experiences with the moderators whereas chriss e is about mostly opposite, he derails most threads with rant about himself, his sock puppets, his avatars, his running feuds with other members etc.

 

[ChrisE]

look both of them are passionate fans. both are witty and active. there is a difference though. the hog is rarely ranting about himself, his sock puppets or his experiences with the moderators whereas chriss e is about mostly opposite, he derails most threads with rant about himself, his sock puppets, his avatars, his running feuds with other members etc.

I'm sorry. I have no control over what people say about me in threads. If you would debate me on the merits of what you ran from on that other forum maybe we could come to an agreement. But, you won't because your position is weak and you know it. You hide just like you do now.

Don't bring your dirty laundry here.

 

[Elagabalus]

I'm sorry. I have no control over what people say about me in threads. If you would debate me on the merits of what you ran from on that other forum maybe we could come to an agreement. But, you won't because your position is weak and you know it. You hide just like you do now.

Don't bring your dirty laundry here.

So I guess you didn't read the forum rules, then?