the short short short version
alpe has an obvious soft spot for papp. papp's record seems to just get uglier and uglier tho.
what we know FOR CERTAIN: he built a modest career on doping. heavily doped he still wasn't good enough and resorted to selling drugs to support a more comfortable lifestyle. failed a test late in his career and tried to make a name for himself by speaking out against drugs except for one little detail, he forgot to stop selling them. got caught by the feds, got convicted, and now is just waiting for sentencing b/c the feds are stalling until they're sure they don't need any more info from joe (my guess is they don't want to give up the leverage they have over joe until some other dominoes have fallen)
what else we know: i find his posts occasionally insightful but he has a tendency to be a little too crude for my tastes.
what we think we know: he may or may not have a tendency to abuse women. it seems isolated but i haven't researched this so who knows?
what else we think we know: he may have called out a clean guy by mistake. ironically, that experience is his whole justification for using dope to begin with and it appears there's no better than a 50/50 shot ES used PEDs.
notice the absence of "name-calling" in the above post. about as objective as it'll get. you're welcome.
131313 said:You're kidding me, right?
"an American sprinter, on a Swiss team, who's the same age as me (sic) in the Tour of Ireland around 2001"
really??
alpe has an obvious soft spot for papp. papp's record seems to just get uglier and uglier tho.
what we know FOR CERTAIN: he built a modest career on doping. heavily doped he still wasn't good enough and resorted to selling drugs to support a more comfortable lifestyle. failed a test late in his career and tried to make a name for himself by speaking out against drugs except for one little detail, he forgot to stop selling them. got caught by the feds, got convicted, and now is just waiting for sentencing b/c the feds are stalling until they're sure they don't need any more info from joe (my guess is they don't want to give up the leverage they have over joe until some other dominoes have fallen)
what else we know: i find his posts occasionally insightful but he has a tendency to be a little too crude for my tastes.
what we think we know: he may or may not have a tendency to abuse women. it seems isolated but i haven't researched this so who knows?
what else we think we know: he may have called out a clean guy by mistake. ironically, that experience is his whole justification for using dope to begin with and it appears there's no better than a 50/50 shot ES used PEDs.
straydog said:Joe is an active voice of this debate, and in my opinion a valued one. Whether you like him or not, whether you believe him or not. So let's hope people at least listen to his voice (and others) rather than try and drown it out by brainless and oh so brave name calling.
notice the absence of "name-calling" in the above post. about as objective as it'll get. you're welcome.