Jonas Vingegaard Rasmussen, the new alpha mutant

[SHAD0W93]

Papa Horner was riding paniagua the whole career except Coca-Cola during that Vuelta. Otherwise Armstrong would have won zero TdF on the road.

Diet Coke with carb free bread and Fuji water. We all can learn from that to still perform when we’re older.

 

[Froome]

Talking about Vingegaard.....well at least the possibility of going to the Tour fighting for the victory has some probability (even if is not that high) of happens, because otherwise the team would already announced that he could not be there, since it's 2 weeks he left the hospital.

Let's hope for the best.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Talking about Vingegaard.....well at least the possibility of going to the Tour fighting for the victory has some probability (even if is not that high) of happens, because otherwise the team would already announced that he could not be there, since it's 2 weeks he left the hospital.

Let's hope for the best.

Why let others know how he’s doing, let them sweat for awhile.

 

[Froome]

Why let others know how he’s doing, let them sweat for awhile.

Probably Visma is already secretly updating the software of the Skeletor. It is no coincidence that Vingegaard bought a house in the middle of nothing. Visma will use the house to recover and update the software of the Skeletor, secretly.
This year he will be able to do 7.1 w/kg instead of 7w/kg. Pogacar will rest in peace at Cime de la bonette!

 

[Oldermanish]

Are you aware of his injuries? I am not sure the team or any amount of doping can overturn medical science and human physiology. Pog was impacted by his LBL fall last year. Well Vingegaard's injuries are far worse.

You are wasting valuable effort trying to explain to the Faithful. It'll be tough for awhile for them .

 

[ManicJack]

Papa Horner was riding paniagua the whole career except Coca-Cola during that Vuelta. Otherwise Armstrong would have won zero TdF on the road.

You forgot about the Doritos and McDonalds that got him to the big leagues

 

[Cookster15]

His TT in 1992 was better than Jonas? I read a lot that vingo TT was best ever. fans,specialist,hell dumoulin call it best TT ever right after the stage

Of course, look up the result on procycling stats, note the gaps, Indurain’s high TT position compared to today. And TT bikes were not as aero as today. Impossible that a 60Kg climber do a better TT than ~78Kg Indurain at his peak during the EPO era when he demolished everyone. Dumoulin was a biased teammate the rest who claimed that were nationalistic Danes or guilty of getting caught up in hyperbole.

 

[Oldermanish]

I don't understand how he didn't lost the Vuelta 2013 until today like Cobo lost.

Probably the biggest joke ever in cycling, winning the Vuelta with 41 years. I can't understand how they didn’t find nothing.

Did you ever watch some of that era's Vuelta mountain stages, 2 weeks in? Guys were jumping around like the Long Beach Crit, at altitude and after two weeks of racing. Who wouldn't they bust?

Hell, Levi Dickhiemer challenged for a podium back in those days.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Probably Visma is already secretly updating the software of the Skeletor. It is no coincidence that Vingegaard bought a house in the middle of nothing. Visma will use the house to recover and update the software of the Skeletor, secretly.
This year he will be able to do 7.1 w/kg instead of 7w/kg. Pogacar will rest in peace at Cime de la bonette!

No software or hardware update will help Skeletor against the new version of Teddy. This model is old and obsolete and the crash was a convenient moment to withdraw it. Skeletor will spend the rest of his life "with family", mark my words.

 

[Froome]

No software or hardware update will help Skeletor against the new version of Teddy. This model is old and obsolete and the crash was a convenient moment to withdraw it. Skeletor will spend the rest of his life "with family", mark my words.

Yeah, Vingegaard is screwed, because this new version of Pogacar can beat in the mountains bernal and the domestique of Remco with a gap of 50 seconds 😬

 

[AmRacer]

Yeah, Vingegaard is screwed, because this new version of Pogacar can beat in the mountains bernal and the domestique of Remco with a gap of 50 seconds 😬

...per mountain

 

[wirral]

Pursuing a policy of deliberate ambiguity.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Pursuing a policy of deliberate ambiguity.

That's it I think, tempering expectations, reducing the noise around him. He will be there, no doubt about it.

 

[Rackham]

Expectations or no expectations, it doesn't change the fact he hit the deck really hard & hurt himself.

It's not a stretch to say he will be impacted by his crash come July. I doubt even the most sophisticated magic potion could overcome what happened to him.

 

[VeloMaster]

Expectations or no expectations, it doesn't change the fact he hit the deck really hard & hurt himself.

It's not a stretch to say he will be impacted by his crash come July. I doubt even the most sophisticated magic potion could overcome what happened to him.

One also needs to consider the mental/psychological aspects of such an incident. I realise top pro riders are in a class of their own both physically and mentally, but as a mere mortal who was involved in a life-threatening cycling accident, the flashbacks and fear were not easy to overcome when back on the bike. Now, 10 years later, the aftereffects still linger on occasion.

 

[Lorzenz08]

I'm a huge Pogi fan but I have to say,
While Vingo's real shape will probably stay a question mark until the start of the TdF, Pogi's real shape will most likely also stay a question mark until the TdF because of the Giro.

I only hope both will stay injury free. Everything else is speculation for now.

 

[ElDesordenado]

I'm a huge Pogi fan but I have to say,
While Vingo's real shape will probably stay a question mark until the start of the TdF, Pogi's real shape will most likely also stay a question mark until the TdF because of the Giro.

I only hope both will stay injury free. Everything else is speculation for now.

Based on what I've seen so far in the Giro, I'm not too optimistic for Pogacar - unless Vingegaard does not recover from his injuries and manage to rebuild his form. Of course, Pogacar is on another level compared to the rest of the Giro riders, but he and UAE also seem to continue making the same mistakes that contributed to losing the TdF '22 and '23: sprinting when not necessary, using energy when not necessary + the fact that his team still seems to be weak (Bjerg and Majka being the only ones who really perform on the inclines).

It's as if UAE still somehow thinks Pogacar can do everything on his own because he's so strong - and so, if Vingegaard recovers, my prediction is it'll end up like the previous years: Pogacar doing flashy, but ultimately futile bursts of speed; Vingegaard conserving energy until the two most decisive mountain stages + the time trials; Visma having a train of tre-four top helpers vs one or none for Pogacar.

As you say, there are two big question marks: how the Giro affects Pogacar, and whether Vingegaard returns to form after the crash. But think about last year: After the first mountain stage where Vingegaard destroyed Pogacar, he said to Danish tv in his usual quiet, soft spoken manner: "I don't want to sound arrogant, but I was actually surprised how easy it was to drop him" (!). Then, Pogacar made a comeback and they ping-ponged for a while during the race, until Vingegaard produced an Indurain-esque (or better) time trial, ran Pogacar into the ground, and buried him on the hardest mountain stage of the Tour.

It was exciting to watch while they were only a few seconds apart in the GC, but ultimately, I'm not sure Visma ever had any doubts about whether Vingegaard would win. Pogacar was - like now in the Giro - on a different level to the rest of the peloton, but Vingegaard was in his own galaxy.

Unless Vingegaard simply doesn't recover, I think we'll see the exact same story repeat it self - a little bit like the Armstrong years when Lance had watts/kg numbers that put him in untouchable territory.

 

[ElDesordenado]

A short video of Vingegaard training near his home in Denmark was released yesterday: https://www.tvmidtvest.dk/skive/se-oejeblikket-hvor-vingegaard-tager-fusen-paa-journalist

 

[FroomeWagon]

I was watching Lance and Bruyneel on their podcast recap the Giro week 1. At one point Lance started talking about Vinegaard and his comeback and if he will be ready for the TDF. Lance said, if that had happened back when he was racing, the biggest issue would have been the weight gained by not riding, but then announced "that is no longer an issue" and Bruyneel chimed in agreement that it isn't an issue anymore for riders.

They didn't go into why that is no longer an issue, but I assumed it was due to drugs. Anyone have any insight or thoughts?

 

[CleanCiclismo]

I was watching Lance and Bruyneel on their podcast recap the Giro week 1. At one point Lance started talking about Vinegaard and his comeback and if he will be ready for the TDF. Lance said, if that had happened back when he was racing, the biggest issue would have been the weight gained by not riding, but then announced "that is no longer an issue" and Bruyneel chimed in agreement that it isn't an issue anymore for riders.

They didn't go into why that is no longer an issue, but I assumed it was due to drugs. Anyone have any insight or thoughts?

Can't speak for Visma, but last year during the tour de France, the Slovenian nutricionist for Bora was in the studio and was talking about how each day he prepares meal plans for every rider carefully. So that they don't go over their calculated micros and macros. The food plan changes based on the type of the stage, the weather and temperatures as well as during the stage if the pace if high, medium or slow. I recon they have the same plans for when they are not training or in this case are out injured. Food (nutricionist) science has improved a lot since Lance was last on the start.

 

[Rackham]

Can't speak for Visma, but last year during the tour de France, the Slovenian nutricionist for Bora was in the studio and was talking about how each day he prepares meal plans for every rider carefully. So that they don't go over their calculated micros and macros. The food plan changes based on the type of the stage, the weather and temperatures as well as during the stage if the pace if high, medium or slow. I recon they have the same plans for when they are not training or in this case are out injured. Food (nutricionist) science has improved a lot since Lance was last on the start.

I'm convinced the talk about 'nutritional gains' is greatly exaggerated by teams & riders in order to explain & rationalize the mutant performances on the road. It's B.S. IMO.

Cool high tech equipment + legal science + grub doesn't account for the stuff we're seeing.

 

[CleanCiclismo]

I'm convinced the talk about 'nutritional gains' is greatly exaggerated by teams & riders in order to explain & rationalize the mutant performances on the road. It's B.S. IMO.

Cool high tech equipment + legal science + grub doesn't account for the stuff we're seeing.

The question was how do they keep their weight in check. Not how they do "mutant" performances.

 

[Rackham]

The question was how do they keep their weight in check. Not how they do "mutant" performances.

Maybe drugs & weight control are related?

I believe AICAR has been quoted as having such effects, i.e. muscle enhancing & fat burning:

Anti-doping labs on alert as powdered Aicar reported in Tour de France peloton

Aicar is a fat-burning agent that can now be delivered in powder form, dissolved in water, cola or an energy drink

www.cyclingweekly.com

 

[Ripper]

Maybe drugs & weight control are related?

I believe AICAR has been quoted as having such effects, i.e. muscle enhancing & fat burning:

Anti-doping labs on alert as powdered Aicar reported in Tour de France peloton

Aicar is a fat-burning agent that can now be delivered in powder form, dissolved in water, cola or an energy drink

www.cyclingweekly.com

Well sure, but why turn the drugs for basic weight management when nutrition intake can address that piece? There is really no point in taking risks if you don't need to

 

[Rackham]

Well sure, but why turn the drugs for basic weight management when nutrition intake can address that piece? There is really no point in taking risks if you don't need to

Isn't that what Michel Hessmann was busted for? i.e. a diuretic?

I mean I have a complete open mind here & I don't assume there's either much risk when it's done properly... or even much benefit in going the 'legit' legal way either. Aka why do something really hard with uncertain gains when a good little shortcut does the trick? It seems like that's been the history of this sport since forever.