Jonas Vingegaard Rasmussen, the new alpha mutant

[Danskebjerge]

Doping that is legal is legal and not doping. I don’t think that’s what we are talking about with the big kids at this Tour

I don't know. But I do know that there are people in doping organizations that cleared Russian athletes right up to the point when it was clear that there was massive state orchestrated doping going on. So I'm not convinced that those organizations are doing all they can to find out if doping is involved.

 

[Aimar16]

2. Pogacar doing a bike change - IMO that's an obvious mistake. The steep part of the climb was Pogs worst split

He was still the third fastest there if you don't count Ciccone, and was only a second slower than Yates with the bike change. His worst section was between the last checkpoint and the finish where he lost 43 seconds in 3.5 kilometres.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

Like I wrote in the race thread, the sausage is made the way the sausage is made...and they're all eating sausage, so this was a contest of sausage eaters. Deal with it.

 

[fbjim]

Yea, there are two pretty extreme outliers here, but Pog smiles a lot more so I like him better

That's at least three vitesses in there

 

[briteco]

Jonas is in trouble with the French media!

Is this even true? It's like these freaks face no scrutiny. At least nowhere close to the level of pressure that Armstrong had.

 

[ashhutch1997]

Is this even true? It's like these freaks face no scrutiny. At least nowhere close to the level of pressure that Armstrong had.

It's because Lance had a big mouth

 

[Jeppeb]

So you're mad at us for what you imagine our response would be

Remove Vinge from the picture & Pog "won" today's ITT in the same manner as LPDBF. He caught Rodriguez over 22km ffs.

But given another 500m, Vinge would have caught both Pog & Rodriguez.

It's just crazy stuff & I don't even know wtf I'm watching anymore.

But there are a lot more than 2 riders in the race. Pogacars performance on its own would merit full scrutiny but given that the gap to the third place rider was 2:51 over just 22km makes it much more ridiculous than you are trying to claim. Its unprecedented and no amount of downplaying it will make it any less so, the clock doesn't lie.

The previous climbing performances from the 2 riders in question were ridiculous on their own merits as the climbing speeds will testify. Today just made a complete mockery of the sport.

That doesnt really tell you anything since the ITT's historically has been way longer, it is only recently they have become shorter and shorter. So how could it really be precedented? Those kind of gaps have happened several times on the older longer ITT's. You cant say with certainty the gaps would be smaller had the ITT's been shorter.

 

[nightowl]

Vinegaard was either was riding an e bike, or he cut off part of the course. I refuse to believe he did this just by doping. Doesn't make sense. Pogi's performance today barely makes sense. What was the average speed on the flat? Was the road wet when WvA did his ride? And it dried up later? WvA was obviously giving it all to try to win this stage. Did he do way worse than his usual performance? Please show me some evidence, because of WvA was doing his normal pace, then this is 3x as insane s the 2020 TT, where I already thought Pogi was using an electric motor.

Pogacar took ~2.5 seconds/km out of Wout on La Planche. Today he took ~3.4 seconds/km out of him, on a course that in theory should be better for Wout. Okay maybe Wout hasn’t been climbing quite as well this year, but he still beat all the other GC riders so he must have been going well - so still a crazy performance from Pogacar.

Vingegaard took ~7.8 seconds/km out of Wout today. For reference, that would’ve meant beating Pogacar by 3 minutes in 2020. Completely ludicrous.

Edit: corrected a number

 

[Red Rick]

Recovery was massive here by the way. Vingegaard was already better on Joux Plane but didn't counter attack. He then was noticably better on Bettex, but he always decided he had this ITT in his bag.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Hahahahahaha

https://twitter.com/x/status/1681334211230199808

View: https://twitter.com/faustocoppi60/status/1681334211230199808?t=v6lyII8K2uk5mRnYq1nV_A&s=09

Yesterday JV clearly performed a novel experiment on our hero and here is the effect. But he didn't look too good at the finish, they have to mind side effects and fix him for tomorrow.

 

[Riek s]

The part where he said he took it easy on the flat part had me literally laughing out loud.

wait he said what???

 

[meat puppet]

As I said, Pogi panicked with Vingo's early level, slammed an early bag and remained competitive for the 2nd week. Now Vingo returned favour and slammed his own as planned, and here we are.

Of course, this kind of dominance is utterly disgusting and I wish he got busted.

At the same time, the tears of the Pog fans who parade from the northern classics and RVV to the Tour and somehow spirit away his obvious doping do indeed taste sweet.

 

[capuldemetal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1681334946672025600

View: https://twitter.com/festinaboy/status/1681334946672025600
this.nobody can say it better than vayer.
ps:wanna bet that tomorrow after the backclash he will simulate to have a bad day? but not losing too much time.

 

[fbjim]

OK. I know this was ridiculous but we don't need to quote Vayer

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

I'm really looking forward to when the numbers people have done their thing and we get a historical assesment of this.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

As I said, Pogi panicked with Vingo's early level, slammed an early bag and remained competitive for the 2nd week. Now Vingo returned favour and slammed his own as planned, and here we are.

Of course, this kind of dominance is utterly disgusting and I wish he got busted.

At the same time, the tears of the Pog fans who parade from the northern classics and RVV to the Tour and somehow spirit away his obvious doping do indeed taste sweet.

Great post!

 

[The Clogger]

At the same time, the tears of the Pog fans who parade from the northern classics and RVV to the Tour and somehow spirit away his obvious doping do indeed taste sweet.

I'm surprised too I'm having such a good time reading the comments from Pogacar fans.

 

[fbjim]

I'm really looking forward to when the numbers people have done their thing and we get a historical assesment of this.

I wonder if the w/kg people are still working for Jumbo. Maybe one of them will accuse a UAE rider of faking Strava data again

 

[topt]

Obviously this is the most ridiculous ITT performance this century.

However, do think there's a few factors that make the result less ridiculous than it is.

1. Pogacar and Vingegaard holding hands a bit the previous 3 mountain stages, making the gap to the rest in general look less big than it is.
2. Pogacar doing a bike change - IMO that's an obvious mistake. The steep part of the climb was Pogs worst split
3. Vingegaard cornering and descending like an absolute maniac. I wouldn't be surprised if the bike change and the cornering alone account for 30 seconds

2 is total BS, they have calculated everything and test driven with both bikes.

 

[zlev11]

Somewhere in Italy, Michelle Fararri is trying to calculate how today was possible

his calculations keep giving him this picture somehow

 

[LesDiablesRouges]

Is this even true? It's like these freaks face no scrutiny. At least nowhere close to the level of pressure that Armstrong had.

Oh believe me. The French media will be on him after today.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

I'm really looking forward to when the numbers people have done their thing and we get a historical assesment of this.

...the ridiculous notion is that history will only affect one rider...hate to break it to you, but this entire section of the forum, has many names listed, all deserving of a thread.

 

[Red Rick]

2 is total BS, they have calculated everything and test driven with both bikes.

Pogacar insisted on a bike switch for comfort reasons.

When it comes to knowing physics I back myself against Pogacar.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

...the ridiculous notion is that history will only affect one rider...hate to break it to you, but this entire section of the forum, has many names listed, all deserving of a thread.

I think you misunderstood me here, I'm familiar with the history of cycling, it's just interests me how the performances compare, especially to the EPO era.

 

[ashhutch1997]

As I said, Pogi panicked with Vingo's early level, slammed an early bag and remained competitive for the 2nd week. Now Vingo returned favour and slammed his own as planned, and here we are.

Of course, this kind of dominance is utterly disgusting and I wish he got busted.

At the same time, the tears of the Pog fans who parade from the northern classics and RVV to the Tour and somehow spirit away his obvious doping do indeed taste sweet.

It's not tears of Pog fans on here, everyone, myself included had exactly the same response when Pog did LPDBF 2020