Jonas Vingegaard: Something is Rotten

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To be fair, Horner has probably also called Andrew Talansky, Tejay van Garderen, Matteo Jorgenson and the likes future GT winner, hasnt he? Sounds like something my man Christopher Horner would do.

My man Horner!!

 

[Ripper]

But you’ve ignored the very good point by @Revelation. Vingegaard’s jump between 2020 and 2021 was far bigger than Pogacar 2023 to 2024. Go back and check betting odds before the 2021 TdF. Nobody mentioned Jonas. Next thing he’s dropping Pogacar on Ventoux. Somewhat convenient that Visma found such a generational talent immediately after Roglic crashed out?

Whataboutism is unavoidable with these two but this is the Vingo Clinic thread. Note I think they are both obvious dopers (how could they possibly not be with their all time best numbers?) but Vingegaard’s 2021 arrival to me was more shocking than Froome.

Also remember after the Combloux TT suddenly we read claims Jonas has the highest VO2 max ever recorded. Why didn’t we read about that earlier? So his fan club had to justify what we all just witnessed that day. What is more likely is Visma stumbled upon a super responder in 2021.

I get what you are saying, but more surprising than Froome? Dude! Seriously!

 

[Blobs]

In 2019 Evenepoel was 19 years old. Like I mentioned in the lead-up to the 2021 Tour, 24 year old Vingegaard's name wasn't in the conversation of possible contenders.

Jonas's dropping of the newfound generational talent on Ventoux was at least as shocking IMO. Everyone was shocked at the very young Pogacar's arrival in 2019/2020. At that time Roglic was the top dog at Visma and there was that scene of disbelieve on the faces of Dumoulin & co at the finish of LPdBF.

But then for the following year Rogla crashes before the Tour and miraculously Visma find another generational talent just in time? Not buying that. Invoking Froome (and Remco) in this conversation is a deflection IMO.

Roglic started the Tour 2021 as basically an equal favorite with Pogacar, and only crashed after the Tour had started. Vingegaard was there 100% as a domestique, so it makes sense no one was talking about him as a favorite, even though he had finished 2nd in Tour of Basque country, ahead of Pogacar, earlier in the year. Obviously his '21 Tour performance was still a huge surprise though. I'm not trying to dispute that.