Jonas Vingegaard: Something is Rotten

[Rackham]

Carbon monoxide rebreather ban taking its toll? Doing the dishes with his wife instead of training on his ITT bike?

Pretty amazing 'return to form' for Vingo... as in return to 2022 pre-Tour ITT form. I'm looking at a 32km flat ITT in that Dauphiné 2022 in which Vinge shipped 1:11 versus Ganna. It seems like the same level here or thereabouts relatively speaking. Even worse tbh. Which is weird considering his usual TdF peak.

 

[Jeppeb]

Carbon monoxide rebreather ban taking its toll? Doing the dishes with his wife instead of training on his ITT bike?

Pretty amazing 'return to form' for Vingo... as in return to 2022 pre-Tour ITT form. I'm looking at a 32km flat ITT in that Dauphiné 2022 in which Vinge shipped 1:11 versus Ganna. It seems like the same level here or thereabouts relatively speaking. Even worse tbh. Which is weird considering his usual TdF peak.

He is gonna need one of the good ole' red bags to make this competitive

 

[Tim Cahill]

One of the great days for the rebreather ban conspiracy theorists

Having said that;

La Vuelta Ciclista a España 2023 Stage 10 (ITT) results

La Vuelta Ciclista a España 2023 Stage 10 (ITT) from Valladolid to Valladolid was won by Filippo Ganna before Remco Evenepoel and Primož RogliÄ. Sepp Kuss was leading the general classification.

procyclingstats.com

This was the race he was allegedly borderline on triggering the biopassport

 

[E_F_]

This was the race he was allegedly borderline on triggering the biopassport

Wait, what's the source on that? Finally some roumors?

 

[Tim Cahill]

Wait, what's the source on that? Finally some roumors?

Uncle Cycling was banging on about it to me ages ago, claiming he had some kind of source in anti-doping, I thought it was nonsense until these Portuguese guys he kept insisting were about to get busted all got popped.

 

[E_F_]

Uncle Cycling was banging on about it to me ages ago, claiming he had some kind of source in anti-doping, I thought it was nonsense until these Portuguese guys he kept insisting were about to get busted all got popped.

Unc's still got it!!??

 

[Tim Cahill]

Unc's still got it!!??

Guy said he’d dragged himself out of poverty by betting on Cristian Scaroni winning minor races, said his video editor from Pakistan was gone, didn’t elaborate any further and hasn’t really been seen from much since

 

[Rackham]

One of the great days for the rebreather ban conspiracy theorists

Having said that;

La Vuelta Ciclista a España 2023 Stage 10 (ITT) results

La Vuelta Ciclista a España 2023 Stage 10 (ITT) from Valladolid to Valladolid was won by Filippo Ganna before Remco Evenepoel and Primož RogliÄ. Sepp Kuss was leading the general classification.

procyclingstats.com

This was the race he was allegedly borderline on triggering the biopassport

But Vingo was 'human' in that ITT in that Vuelta because we were told he was sick during the first part of the race. Hence his result.

I like your strange Uncle Cycling story though. The clinic needs more of that cloak and dagger stuff.

 

[noob]

But Vingo was 'human' in that ITT in that Vuelta because we were told he was sick during the first part of the race. Hence his result.

I like your strange Uncle Cycling story though. The clinic needs more of that cloak and dagger stuff.

It's kinda tragic but I see him as the closest to a journalist there is in this era.

 

[noob]

Has he been here? I've so often asked about it but everyone just seems to hate him here? (Even my commentator follows him on twitter which tells me more than anything so far as he doesn't follow a lot of people)

 

[SHAD0W93]

I am wondering today why he didn't just use his 2023 combloux strategy of reconning the course beforehand.

They forgot to have a low fiber diet, administer the stool softeners and laxatives, and remove the paint from his bike.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

They forgot to have a low fiber diet, administer the stool softeners and laxatives, and remove the paint from his bike.

If they take off more paint, the tuna can becomes visible. Oh, you were talking about the bike?

 

[Tim Cahill]

Has he been here? I've so often asked about it but everyone just seems to hate him here? (Even my commentator follows him on twitter which tells me more than anything so far as he doesn't follow a lot of people)

No his English is not very good so he doesn't frequent here, I've spoken to the guy on voice chat a little but we worked it out mostly caveman style.

 

[ashhutch1997]

What we saying lads, bad blood bag?

 

[noob]

What we saying lads, bad blood bag?

That was what I wanted to ask too. But it was not just him; also Jorgensen didn't perform too well.

 

[ashhutch1997]

That was what I wanted to ask too. But it was not just him; also Jorgensen didn't perform too well.

Tyler Hampton 2004 TDF vibes.

 

[Tim Cahill]

What we saying lads, bad blood bag?

Possible, reminded me a bit of Pogacar's Dauphine tt actually

A few came into the race looking like absolute rubbish, Martinez, Van Aert and the Yates' noticeable.

 

[Rackham]

What we saying lads, bad blood bag?

Or his busted collapsed lungs last year took just a smidgen of % from Vinge, making him recuperate less and perform less.

It seems too early to be doing a blood bag, at least historically speaking.

 

[ashhutch1997]

It seems too early to be doing a blood bag, at least historically spspeaking.

That's true tbf, more likely to wait for the first rest day.

 

[noob]

Or his busted collapsed lungs last year took just a smidgen of % from Vinge, making him recuperate less and perform less.

That's utterly an tragic point, but sounds so likely

 

[Cookster15]

What we saying lads, bad blood bag?

Why would you withdraw the blood bag before the TT rather than tomorrow? Like someone else said seems too early.

Not sure about the collapse lung theory. How did he perform at the level he did last year? He came 2nd to Pog and beat Remco in the Nice TT - his recovery and power with a collapsed lung were way above expectations. One year later his body should be better recovered - using common sense anyway?

 

[Tim Cahill]

Why would you withdraw the blood bad before the TT rather than tomorrow? Like someone else said seems too early.

Not sure about the collapse lung theory. How did he perform at the level he did last year? He came 2nd to Pog and beat Remco in the Nice TT - his recovery and power with a collapsed lung were way above expectations. One year later his body should be better recovered - using common sense anyway?

Exactly, he's been average by his standards pretty much all season, he should be better than this without a massive crash to recover from, for some reason his team is still banging on about how much better he is in comparison to 2025, despite the fact we have working eyes.

It's like they've had their stuff from last year confiscated. Even though he lost, he was so good in July that the plan should've surely just been more of the same with 4-6 weeks extra proper training and a less injured body, increase the threshold and take your chances against Pogacar. Instead they're rattling on about him being more explosive and increasing his sprint like he's Tom Boonen or something?!

 

[Ilmaestro99]

It's like they've had their stuff from last year confiscated.

Wouldn't be surprised

You might remember back in February some of us were speculating briefly that the second tier teams had caught up a bit and the field was more level. Visma and UAE were winning less and the likes of Bahrain, quickstep, Tudor, q35, Lidl were looking good.

UAE since shattered those delusions with Pocagar, Almida, Ajuso, de Toro, Wellens all looking their best ever. That team is absolutely not slowing down.

But I honestly think Simon's Giro win has done some great PR for visma who are having an awful season otherwise. And that giro win was one excellent day against a 20 year old and an EF rider who wouldn't help each other. The rest of the season Simon has been also poor.

Jonas hasn't looked good all year. Van aert is not a threat in the big classics. I would say that jorgensen looks worse than 2024.


Keldermen, Benoit, van battle, kruijsvijk, kuss, campanaerts, are all having poor seasons. Vallter and uijtedbrockes continue to get worse and worse. Zingle hasn't impressed.

The only Visma riders who seem to have a good season are tullett and kooj, young riders who are developing naturally .


Of course I will look like a clown when van aert drops pocagar on hautaxam, but at the moment they don't seem to have the same preparations available.

They were the team who had roglic, Laporte and WVA dropping the whole field on a Paris nice cat 4 climb a few years ago. They won a vuelta with sepp kussz, my god. Compare that to 2025

 

[Tim Cahill]

Wouldn't be surprised

You might remember back in February some of us were speculating briefly that the second tier teams had caught up a bit and the field was more level. Visma and UAE were winning less and the likes of Bahrain, quickstep, Tudor, q35, Lidl were looking good.

UAE since shattered those delusions with Pocagar, Almida, Ajuso, de Toro, Wellens all looking their best ever. That team is absolutely not slowing down.

But I honestly think Simon's Giro win has done some great PR for visma who are having an awful season otherwise. And that giro win was one excellent day against a 20 year old and an EF rider who wouldn't help each other. The rest of the season Simon has been also poor.

Jonas hasn't looked good all year. Van aert is not a threat in the big classics. I would say that jorgensen looks worse than 2024.


Keldermen, Benoit, van battle, kruijsvijk, kuss, campanaerts, are all having poor seasons. Vallter and uijtedbrockes continue to get worse and worse. Zingle hasn't impressed.

The only Visma riders who seem to have a good season are tullett and kooj, young riders who are developing naturally .


Of course I will look like a clown when van aert drops pocagar on hautaxam, but at the moment they don't seem to have the same preparations

Can we talk about the (relatively) massive decline of the huffers and puffers of the car exhaust? UAE has been rather disappointing thus far (Narvaez notwithstanding, who is new and thus never part of the carbon monoxide programme), while Israel haven't had one result worthy of noting.

Visma t.b.d., but Blobloblo just lost an uphill race to Damien Howson.

Well here it is, I thought when the article came out last July the explanation seemed a bit far fetched, but there is obviously enough smoke for them to be spooked into taking these measures.

The UCI bans repeated inhalation of carbon monoxide, and introduces measures to ensure participation of best teams in top-tier road events

www.uci.org

Yes Yates' win was a bit of a fluke to be fair, he was good on the last climb but played it right. Not that I'm complaining, but I've seen him at a higher level at Jayco. UAE probably not on the CO2 (or they just ignored the ban) but jury massively out on Visma. Their best rider seems to be a 12 year old.

Roglic also looks pretty average, one good race (Catalunya) then got thumped the first mountain in the Giro claiming some bs about changing his training.

 

[solo80k]

I think Jonas is simply overtrained this year. Visma Lab probably pushed him too much after the Dauphine fiasco. It's just stage 5 ITT, you don't use blood bags in the first week of the Tour. Jonas finished outside top 10 - it's a disaster.