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Just came by looking if this is still the thread where Pogi fans let of steam trying to cope with the outcome of this year's TdF. Yes, it is.
(No worries, I think the Pogi clinic thread would explode the same if it was the other way around. Hypocrisy on both sides.)
(No worries, I think the Pogi clinic thread would explode the same if it was the other way around. Hypocrisy on both sides.)
Why do you believe that people complaining here aren't also complaining about pogie?
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That‘s where they‘re injecting the love since Vingegaard is a robot and can‘t feel it.
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Straight off the bat, there's nothing inherently wrong with your opinion. It's just cycling & all this stuff until proven otherwise is up for debate, i.e. there's no right or wrong answer. So I'm not going to sit here & act huffy when you prod me with big bad words like 'nuance'.
But, those comparisons between ITT's you mentioned aren't an exact science. Irrespective of the route profile (i.e. mountainous), LPDBF was 36km with a 6km climb. I haven't checked but I reckon the Itzulia ITT prologue Rogla won was much, much shorter. And stage 16 of this TdF 2023 was also a relatively short ITT... which makes the massive gaps something which simply cannot be overlooked, or downplayed.
There's a reason such seconds per km differences haven't been seen since the 1960's. It was neither long enough nor mountainous enough to warrant such enormous time gaps. It's an outlier, aka a statistical anomaly... in a sport where such anomalies invariably lead to one conclusion only: clinical enhancement.
I don't make the rules. Just ask Froome fans, i.e. a rider who went from being a paragon of the "muh cleanz cycling" renewal of the sport in the 2010's to now chilling out on Lance Armstrong's podcast. These dudes all share a common trait: they know what it really takes to win.
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Wait, this is real? I always assumed they were super paranoid about picking non visible veins or using arm warmers/long sleeves at least the day after, but apparently not.
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You don't even make it past conti without a few structured cycles , hell if you're from Belgium you probably won't even make it into conti
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damn hes got froome arms
that needle mark could just be from doping tests though
that needle mark could just be from doping tests though
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right AC regardless, those veins are a nurse or phlebotomists wet dream.
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It's real. But as zlev11 just said, it could just be from a doping test.
I saw a similar mark on his arm during Dauphine this year.
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Do they do illicit drug tests venously? Usually it’s urine, saliva, sweat, or hair follicles because that lasts longer while venous would be out of the system. It could be a CBC and metabolic panel to see if any doping was involved from previous levels.
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Why else did Pharmstrong wear over-the-ankle black socks?
Bingo.You don't even make it past conti without a few structured cycles , hell if you're from Belgium you probably won't even make it into conti
Does urine/saliva etc hold the same compounds as blood? I also thought it’s mostly urine tests but aren’t there a lot of things more detectable in blood?
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I’m assuming it must be something to do with anti-doping, I don’t believe they would just let him walk around with that visible mark on his arm otherwise, regardless of what it was for
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Usually it leaves the blood fast, that’s why they do urine or the others. That’s why a said maybe it’s CBC and BMP to see how his body is functioning total, and that you can’t get from urine. Which by definition would be anti doping but just seeing Vinge’s lab values to see if they’re in the normal ranges.
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I'm about 90% certain lats from doping tests.
I'm pretty sure they would be testing his blood along with everything else.
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Yes. Wouldn't a blood sample be needed for hematocrit testing? Just asking ... I have no idea about the protocols.
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The Vuelta threads will be hilariousYou don't even make it past conti without a few structured cycles , hell if you're from Belgium you probably won't even make it into conti
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I don't get you, why has all doubt torwards Vingegaard and the state of the peloton in general have to be based on having coping issues? Like Gall today apparently did 6,83 w/kg for 19:20. That's normal now. I mean if your take is: there nothing to see here, what exactly is the point of complaining here?
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And where do you think urine comes from?!
You need blood to function properly, that's why blood is "more pure", cleans up faster, but toxins and other unnatural stuff go to urine FROM blood. That's why urine is a better option for tests.
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