Jonas Vingegaard: Something is Rotten

[Krzysztof_O]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1681689975757107200

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Vinge rode last 7 km of Loze in 22'05'', beating Lopez record by about 50''. Around 1790 m/h of VAM and circa 6.2 w/kg. Gall's performance was great as well.

BTW this thread size has almost doubled since yesterday!

 

[SantiBotero]

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Vinge rode last 7 km of Loze in 22'05'', beating Lopez record by about 50''. Around 1790 m/h of VAM and circa 6.2 w/kg. Gall's performance was great as well.

And he stopped for like 10 to 15 sec

 

[Cookster15]

Now the tour is over, wasn't it awesome to see one mutant beating other mutants? This is why we watch the tour de france. It was great while it lasted.

In two stages the time gap from 1st to 2nd is 7 1/2 minutes to the mutant we all thought was untouchable? It is quite sickening really. “Awesome” is not the word I would use to describe it.

 

[ppanther92]

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Vinge rode last 7 km of Loze in 22'05'', beating Lopez record by about 50''. Around 1790 m/h of VAM and circa 6.2 w/kg. Gall's performance was great as well.

BTW his clinic thread size has almost doubled since yesterday!

Juul Jensen? What? I would have thought it was a bike change to Yates or Harper but they are also there.

 

[DrSahl]

This guy is threatening Froome for most ridiculous mutant ever.

Froome had the same gene. Froome is considered one of the most clean tour riders of all time.
Motopacing does not have to be doping after all

 

[Rackham]

Bruyneel knew that Jumbo was targeting this day all the time, whoever gave him the info was definitely right.

So which stage did Jumbo not target? The ITT? Imagine the gaps had they actually prepped for the time trial!

In other news I don't get why GC Kuss was so mistreated today on Loze. I mean what sort of a gap back to Pog did Vinge & Jumbo want? What's the difference between 5 or 7 minutes? They drilled it like mad when Benoot slaughtered Kuss (Vinge was on the radio shouting something, i.e. which looked like "go, go, go").

I think Vinge wanted to kill two birds with one stone today, i.e. Pog... but more importantly Sepp Kuss! I'm not surprised either, i.e. if I was on whatever Jumbo is on, the only real threat... would be from a teammate.

 

[Cookster15]

This thread was started after the Granon stage last year. The title of the thread is even more spot on after todays fiasco. And yet in Denmark it sounds like he is being fawned over? Just completely crazy.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I think Vinge wanted to kill two birds with one stone today, i.e. Pog... but more importantly Sepp Kuss! I'm not surprised either, i.e. if I was on whatever Jumbo is on, the only real threat... would be from a teammate.

No worries for Sepp. He'll ride Vuelta for the GC and his best buddy Rogla won't hesitate to help him

 

[NFTtiddies]

Tom Pidcock from 2022 giving us a conclusion of today's stage:

 

[IndianCyclist]

One thing is for sure, he does not have the resources to do this by himself. Whatever it is is done by a whole team of people with a lot of medical science behind it and will come out sooner or later.

 

[DNP-Old]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1681717633102561295

View: https://twitter.com/medicinexthings/status/1681717633102561295?


Shit. Now what?

 

[Salvarani]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1681717633102561295

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Shit. Now what?

But even the commentators brought this up today during the race? You are telling me, that it isnt true?

Hold on, where is my pitchfork.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1681717633102561295

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Shit. Now what?

97 is an insane value and I think only a cross country champion from Norway (Dahlie) had similar (but they engage more muscles to utilize available oxygen). Still I'm rather confident that both Vingegaard and Pogacar in TdF form have a VO2 max of at least 90. They are monsters.

 

[Rackham]

Tom Pidcock from 2022 giving us a conclusion of today's stage:

I totally forgot about Pidcock in this Tour, i.e. he completely exploded in GC over the past 5 stages (after stage 13 he was still just 5 minutes down). He's now almost one hour behind!

Brutal stuff for Ineos.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

Surprise that the “it was 97 something” that the father apparently said wasn’t accurate.

 

[Ricco']

https://twitter.com/x/status/1681713395462963217

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Jeez, does he think that recovery shakes are good for 2 y.o.?

 

[zlev11]

does today put yesterday in perspective at all? Pogacar is clearly not himself. if he beat Pogacar by 25 seconds yesterday does this look anywhere near as bad? you could...argue...that the course suited the two of them better than anyone else (both great climbers and TT'ers, everyone else behind them is either only one or the other). i dunno, it doesn't feel as heavy to me as it did yesterday after what happened today.

 

[Salvarani]

does today put yesterday in perspective at all? Pogacar is clearly not himself. if he beat Pogacar by 25 seconds yesterday does this look anywhere near as bad? you could...argue...that the course suited the two of them better than anyone else (both great climbers and TT'ers, everyone else behind them is either only one or the other). i dunno, it doesn't feel as heavy to me as it did yesterday after what happened today.

We have been here before. None of what we are seeing is true and they confirmed it during the last two days, what everybody has probably been thinking for a while, but it has not been this ridiculous. So blatant.

Pog "bonking" all of a sudden right after his best TT-performance ever makes it way more explainable, right? Vinge is not sooo much better. Pog was just sick, as we saw. Thats why Vinge was dominant in the TT and today. Nothing to see here. Next year it is on again!

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Without the moto incident he beat super clean MAL’s record by over a minute. About 5% better.

 

[zlev11]

We have been here before. None of what we are seeing is true and they confirmed it during the last two days, what everybody has probably been thinking for a while, but it has not been this ridiculous. So blatant.

Pog "bonking" all of a sudden right after his best TT-performance ever makes it way more explainable, right? Vinge is not sooo much better. Pog was just sick, as we saw. Thats why Vinge was dominant in the TT and today. Nothing to see here. Next year it is on again!

im just asking an honest question about what people think. i dont think either of them are clean. i think Pogacar is not at his normal level due to his far from perfect preparation after the wrist injury and today and probably yesterday showed that. i dont think Vingegaard would have looked so ridiculous yesterday if Pogacar was in 10/10 condition.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

does today put yesterday in perspective at all?

I don’t think today change anything, because the whole picture yesterday wasn’t just Vingegaard vs Pogacar, the gap down to the rest was a very important part of the madness.

 

[Salvarani]

im just asking an honest question about what people think. i dont think either of them are clean. i think Pogacar is not at his normal level due to his far from perfect preparation after the wrist injury and today and probably yesterday showed that. i dont think Vingegaard would have looked so ridiculous yesterday if Pogacar was in 10/10 condition.

Well, I gave you my thoughts didnt I?

Sure, ideal prep and wrist. He is not far off though from "perfect" form. Whatever that might be.

I dont think he wins this Tour no matter what, judging by the last two days. JV had another gear that no one could beat and it was super-ridiculous!

 

[zlev11]

I don’t think today change anything, because the whole picture yesterday wasn’t just Vingegaard vs Pogacar, the gap down to the rest was a very important part of the madness.

i agree, 3 minutes is a lot, but let's look at the resume of the riders behind them:
Van Aert: not a climber and also clearly not at 100% in this race
Bilbao: great climber, not a renowned TT rider
Yates brothers: likewise
Cavagna: pure TTer but a very bad climber. 3:06 seems realistic actually.
Pederson: is neither a good climber or TTer outside of really short efforts under 10k

I hate to say "weak field" but....it's a weak field. The gap to Pogacar yesterday was absurd but it makes sense after what happened today. I dunno.

 

[Riek s]

im just asking an honest question about what people think. i dont think either of them are clean. i think Pogacar is not at his normal level due to his far from perfect preparation after the wrist injury and today and probably yesterday showed that. i dont think Vingegaard would have looked so ridiculous yesterday if Pogacar was in 10/10 condition.

I think most people are not only looking at the difference between 1 and 2, but also against the others.

How pogie moves inside that window doesn't change the relative position of either the 3rd and everyone else. Also numbers don't lie, even if we don't have accurate numbers . If Ving does 6.33W/kg while dialing it down... or 7W/kg+ for the last 13minutes...

The only difference would have been that Ving and Pog would have been from the same planet, instead of each their own.

 

[zlev11]

Well, I gave you my thoughts didnt I?

Sure, ideal prep and wrist. He is not far off though from "perfect" form. Whatever that might be.

I dont think he wins this Tour no matter what, judging by the last two days. JV had another gear that no one could beat and it was super-ridiculous!

i just dont understand why everyone has to respond with such condescension and vitriol whenever someone presents an alternate opinion on this forum, both in here and the road racing forum