Jonas Vingegaard: Something is Rotten

[SHAD0W93]

Who knows what needles they use, but the phlebotomists do use them and young or old there are those that get the bruises. But again, I’d doubt they’re a tenth as health as Vinge.

That’s also not counting the size gauge needed for the infusion rate. At the hospital for adults it’s usually 18-22 gauge with common being 18-20. Lower the gauge number, the bigger the needle and higher the rate can be. For the IV hydration job I did for awhile we infused the hydration bags, (1000mL) in 1-2 hours. That’s pretty fast when you take into consideration we only bolus that rate in the hospital if it’s an emergency such as them being hypotensive, bradycardia, sepsis, etc.

But then in the other end of the spectrum it can cause damage to your kidneys or heart from the hypervolemia and your body trying to remove it, though cyclists would sweat a lot out.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Lol just listened to The Move and Lance advised Vingegaard to take it easy and not call attention to himself, let the other guys look good, ride in with your team, etc. He also went on a pro-trust rant, which was also amusing.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

That’s also not counting the size gauge needed for the infusion rate. At the hospital for adults it’s usually 18-22 gauge with common being 18-20. Lower the gauge number, the bigger the needle and higher the rate can be. For the IV hydration job I did for awhile we infused the hydration bags, (1000mL) in 1-2 hours. That’s pretty fast when you take into consideration we only bolus that rate in the hospital if it’s an emergency such as them being hypotensive, bradycardia, sepsis, etc.

But then in the other end of the spectrum it can cause damage to your kidneys or heart from the hypervolemia and your body trying to remove it, though cyclists would sweat a lot out.

I think any sort of professional infusion takes time and should be very well monitored, do you think cyclists in the middle of a GT have that sort of "luxury"?

 

[ThisFrenchGuy]

I mean I get it, it's the issue with the Clinic and why I burnt out or just soma'd myself into a complacent basic spectator : We throw around a lot of doubts, speculation, impressions but we rarely get any real confirmation of vindication. And if so, years down the line. It is tiring and it does kill a lot of joy in the sport.

I can't prove Vingo or Pog or riser X is doped and I can't state it definitely either.
I think the history of the sport (and pro sports in general) warrant a lot of suspicion towards it all and justify not being very charitable to the virtue signaling of authorities, organisers, teams and riders. But that's not proof.

Someone yesterday used the expression "guilt by performance" and I thought it was very apt. We're certainly guilty of that.

Maybe Vingo (or Pog) is the unicorn generational talent, freak of nature, perfectly suited genetics that just is that much stronger than everyone else while being only on mineral water.
It strains credulity, to me, we're getting one of those every 5-10 years and we do know, without a shadow of a doubt, that a handful of those were in fact cheaters.

 

[SHAD0W93]

I think any sort of professional infusion takes time and should be very well monitored, do you think cyclists have that sort of "luxury"?

Back in their rooms, most likely I’d say. Can rest and relax while they’re getting the fluids plus whatever else is put in the bag. Especially easy to do on a rest day and come out rejuvenated and looking like you haven’t raced for two weeks.

 

[ThisFrenchGuy]

Lol just listened to The Move and Lance advised Vingegaard to take it easy and not call attention to himself, let the other guys look good, ride in with your team, etc. He also went on a pro-trust rant, which was also amusing.

You know, I hated Lance with the fire of a thousand suns and I still do (less intensely so, some rightful retribution has been visited upon him). But I'll give it to him, he was a consummate pelo-politician. Including when he was blowing hot and cold by being super confrontional about THE FRENCH. Just being a total suck up wouldn't have passed mustard.

He really was the last (bad) Boss.

 

[fbjim]

Lance, had he not been a cyclist, would have been a CEO, or a murderer. He had that psychopath streak you need for such things.

 

[ManicJack]

I think any sort of professional infusion takes time and should be very well monitored, do you think cyclists in the middle of a GT have that sort of "luxury"?

They certainly aren't doing it themselves like all the amateur Ironman triathletes 😁

 

[ontheroad]

Lol just listened to The Move and Lance advised Vingegaard to take it easy and not call attention to himself, let the other guys look good, ride in with your team, etc. He also went on a pro-trust rant, which was also amusing.

Listened to a bit of it yesterday during which he declared that he was left speechless by Vingegaards performance.

His show has become a talking billboard for product endorsements!

 

[ManicJack]

Lance, had he not been a cyclist, would have been a CEO, or a murderer. He had that psychopath streak you need for such things.

That's a bit extreme and half uncalled for🥱

 

[LesDiablesRouges]

You forgot about a certain Belgian kid that is selling pizza in between riding away from everyone whenever he races.

Except that Remco has been a world class athlete for ages. He ran a half marathon with no training in 1:18 at age 16. He's been a ridiculous level in cycling since he started.

He also races in the Belgian ITT and WC ITT.

Remco has shown failure and has had bad days. His form is much more in line with being "clean" and simply being a generational talent.

 

[ThisFrenchGuy]

That's a bit extreme and half uncalled for🥱

The guy turned a charitable effort into a monument to himself and a brand. It's honestly not that far off

Listened to a bit of it yesterday during which he declared that he was left speechless by Vingegaards performance.

His show has become a talking billboard for product endorsements!

I listened to a few episodes pre-COVID and it was already the case. But that's par for the course for many podcasts. Can't blame him too much because he's been substantially humbled financially that I know of.
Honestly not the worst / less insightful pundit
Not my cup of tea.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Lance, had he not been a cyclist, would have been a CEO, or a murderer. He had that psychopath streak you need for such things.

That's a bit extreme and half uncalled for🥱

Harsh on Lance, harsh on CEOs! He is a consummate salesman, no doubt about that. He’d be a great CEO and entrepreneur. Actually, he is a great CEO and entrepreneur. Like it or not, the guy is a leader. He understands how to bond people to him and influence them and bend them to his will. His comments about Vingegaard, Wout, and leadership were spot on, IMO.

I realize I sound like a Lance apologist, and I’m not. He was truly terrible to many people. But I have to give the man his due.

Edit: The constant pitching on The Move is really annoying, but I honestly chuckle when he slyly and often seamlessly pivots the conversation into a product pitch. It makes me laugh at how shameless and skilled he is.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

They certainly aren't doing it themselves like all the amateur Ironman triathletes 😁

Now, now, be nice to the triathletes...

 

[ManicJack]

The guy turned a charitable effort into a monument to himself and a brand. It's honestly not that far off

A murderer? I hope your actions never get to be judged by an anonymous rando on the internet. Give me an F'n break

 

[ManicJack]

Now, now, be nice to the triathletes...

Never met someone that finished a bike race and got a tattoo 😁

 

[The Clogger]

Except that Remco has been a world class athlete for ages. He ran a half marathon with no training in 1:18 at age 16. He's been a ridiculous level in cycling since he started.

He also races in the Belgian ITT and WC ITT.

Remco has shown failure and has had bad days. His form is much more in line with being "clean" and simply being a generational talent.

TL;DR:
Your guy is doped, but my guy is a generational talent born with incredible physical attributes few in this world possess. Delivered by Mother Nature.

 

[fbjim]

Let's be fair, Remco has one grand tour win and it was on one of the easiest routes I've seen in my life.

 

[ManicJack]

TL;DR:
Your guy is doped, but my guy is a generational talent born with incredible physical attributes few in this world possess. Delivered by Mother Nature.

Exactly

 

[ThisFrenchGuy]

A murderer? I hope your actions never get to be judged by an anonymous rando on the internet. Give me an F'n break

Lance is not a literal murderer and I wouldn't diagnose anyone with any pathology because I am not a doctor and even so you can't do so remotely, it was just a common idiom to illustrate how ruthless he was in his public persona at many points in the past.

He was an abrasive ***, a liar, a cheater that made a fortune out of defrauding the sport.

I'll accept he got more retribution visited than many other potential cheaters and liars. I look upon him sort of fondly now and to be quite honest... I think erasing him from the Tour tables and rankings was a futile effort. Much blessing to him making a sort of honest living with a podcast filled with ads.

Feel free to judge me for what I write here.

 

[ManicJack]

Let's be fair, Remco has one grand tour win and it was on one of the easiest routes I've seen in my life.

I'm not going to discount his future as a GT racer until the coming Vuelta. My prediction is he will be humbled. Whatever program he may or may not be on.

 

[ManicJack]

Lance is not a literal murderer

At least you recognize that 😁

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

TL;DR:
Your guy is doped, but my guy is a generational talent born with incredible physical attributes few in this world possess. Delivered by Mother Nature.

To be fair, the differences in an athletes performance biography can be discussed I think. That Remco has shown signs of physical greatness since young age is not in contradiction with him using PEDs though. But still it's a fair point to make on his behalf I think. It's not like generational Talents don't exist. We just don't know how much of an advantage being a generational talent is in a PED environment.

 

[zlev11]

Thats why everybody has been on edge since yesterday. They are all scared that another major scandal is on the horizon. You dont think like riders contracts and so on has gotten increased during the last decade? Not just because of inflation but more money coming into the sport by big sponsors. The riders are probably making a lot more money than they used to. It is probably why everyone is protective and on defense, right now. It is everybodys best interest, who is on it, that it is business as usual.

i've been on edge since last years Tour when McNulty randomly grinded the peloton to dust doing 6.5 w/kg for over 40min and everyone just buried their head in the sand when confronted with it. then Vingegaard went almost as fast as Riis on the last 5k of Hautacam. now everyone is surprised by the arms race?

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

i've been on edge since last years Tour when McNulty randomly grinded the peloton to dust doing 6.5 w/kg for over 40min and everyone just buried their head in the sand when confronted with it. then Vingegaard went almost as fast as Riis on the last 5k of Hautacam. now everyone is surprised by the arms race?

I've been on the edge ever since de Gendt said, that he couldn't get into breaks any more pushing the same watts as always. I just happily ignored it untill yesterday for most of the time.