Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[Oldermanish]

Followed recent updates and as fully expected with a pneumothorax still too early to know which direction the wind blows.
My best guess is mid June before anything thoroughly can be stated with evidence. But could be early July as well.
Think even best experts don't have any answers yet.

Which way the wind blows?
Sorry in such a serious situation to note an unintentional pun....

Considering it is nearly May there are 5 weeks of preparation time before the Tour. It doesn't look like time allows for crucial training to occur based on what we've been told.

 

[Sciatic]

Which way the wind blows?
Sorry in such a serious situation to note an unintentional pun....

Considering it is nearly May there are 5 weeks of preparation time before the Tour. It doesn't look like time allows for crucial training to occur based on what we've been told.

Given his injuries it seems like a stretch. But even if you assume the week leading into the Tour weekend is just tapering and not training, that still leaves 8 weeks of training available?

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

Which way the wind blows?
Sorry in such a serious situation to note an unintentional pun....

Considering it is nearly May there are 5 weeks of preparation time before the Tour. It doesn't look like time allows for crucial training to occur based on what we've been told.

I don't know how you were able to miss my point.
And I dunno what 'pun' I've caused (?)
Didn't watch the stage, and it was blocked on VOD afterwards. Just read about the crash just post stage.

So you would say definitely 'nay' or how should I read your last sentence?
It's been a huge setback for him physically, but in my calender theres 2 months + 3 datmys to Le Grand Départ.

 

[Red Rick]

Unless we hear something soon about being back training in any capacity, he's not making the Tour de France.

Unlike Pogacar he should be suffering pretty significant atrophy and detraining effects.

 

[Froome]

I don't know how you were able to miss my point.
And I dunno what 'pun' I've caused (?)
Didn't watch the stage, and it was blocked on VOD afterwards. Just read about the crash just post stage.

So you would say definitely 'nay' or how should I read your last sentence?
It's been a huge setback for him physically, but in my calender theres 2 months + 3 datmys to Le Grand Départ.

Next week we will probably know the answer. The team should do an update.

I still believe he can do it, but if he don't, focus is on the Vuelta.

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

Next week we will probably know the answer. The team should do an update.

With a pneumothorax I certainly don't expect
so many tangible facts at such a still early stage, which in my opinion is still rather early. Anything else will be dishonest of JV.

However, I expect positive news. This is what their marketing dept does for a living.

I still believe he can do it, but if he don't, focus is on the Vuelta.

Beliefs are much up in the air yet at these stages.

 

[Froome]

Maybe he is already training on the rollers.

Steff Cras sustained maybe even worse injuries than him, and he is already training on the rollers.

 

[Oldermanish]

I don't know how you were able to miss my point.
And I dunno what 'pun' I've caused (?)
Didn't watch the stage, and it was blocked on VOD afterwards. Just read about the crash just post stage.

So you would say definitely 'nay' or how should I read your last sentence?
It's been a huge setback for him physically, but in my calender theres 2 months + 3 datmys to Le Grand Départ.

Pneumothorax....literally where the "wind" should not blow in a lung/rib injury. It's a bad joke but couldn't pass it up.

 

[saunaking]

Let's be honest, huge serious injury, hospitalized for at least a week. NO CHANCE he is ready in time for the tour.
People were making excuses about teddy's wrist, this *** Jonas has is 20x worse

Just let the guy heal

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

Pneumothorax....literally where the "wind" should not blow in a lung/rib injury. It's a bad joke but couldn't pass it up.

Sorry, I didn't see it. Painful joke.

 

[zekance]

Let's be honest, huge serious injury, hospitalized for at least a week. NO CHANCE he is ready in time for the tour.
People were making excuses about teddy's wrist, this *** Jonas has is 20x worse

Just let the guy heal

This **** Jonas is having has almost the same recovery time as Tadej's wrist. Yet very few people on this forum acknowledge that Tadej's wrist had anything to do with him losing the TDF last year. On the other hand I'm yet to see someone say Jonas will be 100% for this years TDF.

All this despite us having seen prior cases with similar injuries to Jonas where athlets came back within a month and Jonas also has 17 more days to recover and prepare for the TDF than Tadej had.

IMO Vingegaard is still Visma's best bet for the podium and the only one capable of winning it all. I'd be very surprised if he doesn't show up for this years TDF. Probably not as good as he would be with his ideal preperation but still in a very good form.

 

[Froome]

This **** Jonas is having has almost the same recovery time as Tadej's wrist. Yet very few people on this forum acknowledge that Tadej's wrist had anything to do with him losing the TDF last year. On the other hand I'm yet to see someone say Jonas will be 100% for this years TDF.

All this despite us having seen prior cases with similar injuries to Jonas where athlets came back within a month and Jonas also has 17 more days to recover and prepare for the TDF than Tadej had.

IMO Vingegaard is still Visma's best bet for the podium and the only one capable of winning it all. I'd be very surprised if he doesn't show up for this years TDF. Probably not as good as he would be with his ideal preperation but still in a very good form.

I already said some times, if Vingegaard starts the Tour without pain and recovered, he doesn't need to start the Tour at 100% in terms of shape to win the race, especially when the Tour is backloaded in the last 8 days.

 

[Red Rick]

People unironically arguing an injury that sent a rider to ICU isnt worse than hand injury that got surgery that same day and where the rider was out of hospital 24h later

 

[zekance]

People unironically arguing an injury that sent a rider to ICU isnt worse than hand injury that got surgery that same day and where the rider was out of hospital 24h later

I did not say that. I said that the recovery time for both is not that different. Ofcourse Jonas was in more pain and his life took a bigger hit for the first 2-3 weeks after the injury but that does not change the fact that his journey back to bike should only take 1 or 2 weeks longer than what Tadej's took last year.

 

[kn0s]

I did not say that. I said that the recovery time for both is not that different. Ofcourse Jonas was in more pain and his life took a bigger hit for the first 2-3 weeks after the injury but that does not change the fact that his journey back to bike should only take 1 or 2 weeks longer than what Tadej's took last year.

Well that depends on what you define as "on the bike" taking in to account the natural break pogi was going to take after the spring, I would guess, if we include the indoor trainer, he had practically no real break from keeping his body going.

Not sure Jonas is anywhere near this. He has to be on the trainer now.

 

[Froome]

Well that depends on what you define as "on the bike" taking in to account the natural break pogi was going to take after the spring, I would guess, if we include the indoor trainer, he had practically no real break from keeping his body going.

Not sure Jonas is anywhere near this. He has to be on the trainer now.

Let's hope he is. Steff Cras is already on the trainer.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

Let's hope he is. Steff Cras is already on the trainer.

I don't know how much one can tell about Vingegaards recovery based on Cras. A pneumothorax can be small or large for example. I just know it took Davie Selke (football player) more than a year to gain back his total fitness after he had a pneumothorax. So it seems to me the recovery time has a quite wide span of how long it can last.

 

[Sciatic]

I did not say that. I said that the recovery time for both is not that different. Ofcourse Jonas was in more pain and his life took a bigger hit for the first 2-3 weeks after the injury but that does not change the fact that his journey back to bike should only take 1 or 2 weeks longer than what Tadej's took last year.

That is a very strange conclusion.

 

[Netserk]

I did not say that. I said that the recovery time for both is not that different. Ofcourse Jonas was in more pain and his life took a bigger hit for the first 2-3 weeks after the injury but that does not change the fact that his journey back to bike should only take 1 or 2 weeks longer than what Tadej's took last year.

Lol.

 

[zekance]

I don't know how much one can tell about Vingegaards recovery based on Cras. A pneumothorax can be small or large for example. I just know it took Davie Selke (football player) more than a year to gain back his total fitness after he had a pneumothorax. So it seems to me the recovery time has a quite wide span of how long it can last.

Davie Selke last game before the injury was on 13.7. and the first game back was on 15.9. and by February he already had 4 goals and 8 assiasts. For him that is very good.

 

[zekance]

Lol.

Tell me what's so funny so I can try and explain better.

 

[Red Rick]

Pretty sure Vingegaard didn't just have pneumothorax he actually had a punctured lung, which is a significantly bigger problem.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

Davie Selke last game before the injury was on 13.7. and the first game back was on 15.9. and by February he already had 4 goals and 8 assiasts. For him that is very good.

He had a lot of assits that season for some reason, but it does not change the fact that he himself said, he wasn't really fully fit until more than a year after condition wise, which is considerable. And his injury was less severe than Vingegaards. So he was locked out of his usual playing style for quite a while. Which is absolutely not to say that Skeletor will have similar isssues. Which was actually the point I wanted to make: Injuries are ofc comparable but they are still unique, afaik we have not heard any news like that he's atleast training a bit yet, which would mean he's been out of training for weeks now. I hope he'll recover fast and well, I just don't believe that's simply a given.

 

[RedheadDane]

Pretty sure Vingegaard didn't just have pneumothorax he actually had a punctured lung, which is a significantly bigger problem.

Wait... I thought pneumothorax was just the fancy Latin word for 'punctured lung'.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Wait... I thought pneumothorax was just the fancy Latin word for 'punctured lung'.

A pneumothorax is air being caught in an area of the chest which restricts breathing. I think you usually need a punctured lung to sustain a pneumothorax.